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Minnick holds fundraising advantage over Rep. Sali : comments
Submitted by admin on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 10:15am.
Why doesn't story report the truth
A simple check at http://www.opensecrets.org/races/geog.php?cycle=2008&id=ID01
will show that Minnick's spokesperson is lying. 71% of Minnick's money comes from out of state.
In Fact, You're Wrong...
The Open Secrets website reports that 71% of Walt Minnick's contributions of over $200 from individuals, and not including PAC money, came from out of state, before the last reporting period. When you consider that the same website reports that Bill Sali has taken $381,000 from PACs, and Walt Minnick had only taken in $45.5K (again, as of 6/30), we see that the numbers are much closer. A detailed discussion, with links, is here.
ROFLMAO.... Hey Minnick!!!!
Who do you support for President!??
Oh.. His Obama-ness... Barack Hussein Obama!?? ROFLMAO!!!
BAM GAME OVER SALI LANDSLIDE VICTORY!
"F" for reading comprehension bcuz0
They never said the money was local- in fact the point of the article is that in 2006 the majority of Sali's money came from out of state- now he has to face the same problem. Those out of state sources have dried up for him, and Minnick is flush.
Since no one complained that Sali's money came from out of state in 2006; it seems to me that your point is irrelevant.
Read the final comment from Minnick's spokeperson
If you failed to read that then I feel sorry for you. Also I would suggest that you follow the link I provided and you will find that your statement regarding Sali in 06 is also incorrect. While he did raise 46% of his money from out of state that still falls below the most threshold.
bcuz0- comprhension
Minnick's spokesman, Foster, countered that "the majority of individuals who are giving money to this campaign are from Idaho."
Foster does not say that the majority of his money comes from individuals- it says that the majority of his individual donors are from Idaho.
That's true of Sali too- his individual donors are from Idaho. The truth is neither one makes much from the individual donors.
Unlike Obama. Of course, if Obama
had to rely on Idaho for his internet funding, he'd be in deep doo doo.
I think the implied meaning
Was that most of his money comes from in state. That is how most people would read it. I think that the disingenuous nature of the statement and your defense of it are appalling. Also once again based on facts 72% of Minnicks money has been raised from individuals and 71% of his money comes from out of state there appears to be some over lapping here wouldn't you agree. So your version of the truth and mine which is supported by the numbers anyone can double check are slightly different. Please do your research first.
Now that you've clarified yourself...
...so what? The fact that Bill Sali is currently one of our congressmen is proof that whether the money comes from in or out of Idaho must not matter matter to Idaho voters. Sali got there with most of his campaign contributions coming from out of state.
Did you follow the link
If you had done that you would know that that statement is false.
Yes, I followed the link.
Sorry, but you seem to be the one missing the point here. That's OK, maybe you just got to Idaho recently. I'm not talking about this election, I'm talking about 2006 when Sali first ran for this office. At that time an overwhelming amount of his campaign contributions came from out of state...like 90+%. Idaho voted for him anyway. It was all quite public...you didn't need to look at open secrets or anything else. Under those circumstances, my rhetorical question is this; if they were willing to vote for Sali, why not Minnick? But, I don't think we'll ever know because nobody wins anything much here without an (R) in front of their name anyway.
bcuz0 Should Follow The Links Too
Did you go to the link that shows that 75% of Congressman Sali's money comes from PACs, which are essentially all out of state money? The one that shows that Walt Minnick got only 11% of his money from PACs? Did you realize that the Individual Contributions page only includes those contributions that were over $200, and doesn't include money from PACs? Did you figure out that Walt Minnick received about $200,000 in contributions smaller than $200 that's not included in the 71% figure, the vast majority of which were from Idaho? Did you see that 16% of Walt's money comes from himself, which is clearly from Idaho? The fact remains that Bill Sali gets a substantially greater share of his campaign funds from out of state than does Walt Minnick. I've got all day, and an actual understanding of math, if you want to continue with your futile argument. I already schooled Adam Graham on this issue, and I'll be happy to do the same for you. (Plus, I know how to embed hyperlinks, so I'm a mile ahead of you on that score as well.)
Bub, you are a brave man, but don't go confusing folks like
bcuz, neoroman, Lil Adam and Fischer with pesky things like FACTS!
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
Thanks bubblehead
I think your name is relevant to the subject matter. Excuse me for being slow in regards to adding links. If you bothered to read the sites statements regarding PACs you would find that a majority of incumbents receive a majority of their funds from PACs. The entire basis of my problem with the story is in the inaccuracies and the poor reporting. But It seems to me that according to you and your ilk it's perfectly fine because it's being done at Sali's expense. The story is about Walt's fund raising advantage and how he got it, it should at least be accurate.
It Figures That You Wouldn't Know...
"Bubblehead" is a military term -- a term of endearment (or derision) for submariners. I'm not surprised you're not familiar with the military. In any event, maybe the reason that the story didn't say what you wanted it to say is because your version of the "facts" are not true. Once again, you're ignoring the $200,000 in small (less than $200) individual contributions to Walt that mostly come from in-state, and the 16% of Minnick's campaign funds that he provided, which clearly come from in-state. When it's all said and done, it looks like Walt has just about 50% of his money (individual contributions of all sizes, PAC money, and candidate personal donations) coming from in state, and Congressman Sali has about 90% of his money coming from out of state. Do you need me to spell it out for you more? You'll only end up looking more foolish...
Ah Bubble
To me the term bubblehead will always be along the lines of airhead or dimwit. The fact that you chose to ignore the facts is all I need to see. The fact that you chose to ignore my problem with the story confirms to me that you choose not to see my side at all but choose to belittle in the hope that it will make you seem important to others.
Facts: You Keep Using That Word...
...but I do not think it means what you think it does. Let's review your statements so far in this thread:
bcuz0: 71% of Minnick's money comes from out of state.
Fact: As I've proven, when the $200,000 of individual contributions of less than $200, plus the 16% of Walt's funds that he personally donated to his campaign, it's clear that much less than 72% of Minnick's "money" comes from out of state.
bcuz0: While he (Sali in 2006) did raise 46% of his money from out of state that still falls below the most threshold.
Fact: When Sali's PAC contributions are taken into account, he got significantly more money from out of state than in state. He had ~$150K in in-state itemized contributions, ~$128K in out of state itemized contributions, and $474K in mostly out-of-state PAC contributions. Therefore, his "money" clearly came mostly from out of state.
Therefore: I have looked at your side of the story, I have weighed it, and I have found it wanting. Were you to say "Individual Contributions in excess of $200" rather than "money", your statements would be more correct, and I wouldn't have a problem with most of what you say. Since I assume you're one of those "English as the official language" types, I would hope you would use the language more precisely in the future.
If there actually WERE "FACTS", you wouldn't need ELECTIONS
it would all solve itself.
Once again
Instead of debating the facts once again you choose to attack. Well good for you, you can assume an insult all you need to. I for one will leave you to your small minded interpretation of the numbers involved. If a non partisan site is so incorrect in where Walt's funds come from then I must be a complete fool to except it's numbers when they so differ with yours. You are obviously the expert here so I will leave you to your stead fast assumptions and say farewell.
Double dog dare ya.
That's Fine, bcuz0
If you truly don't understand that "money" and "funds" with respect to campaign donations consists of more than "Individual Donations above $200", then I'll just have to accept that, somewhere, the education system failed you. As a taxpayer, I guess I have to take some of the blame onto myself.
Anyway, considering the problems Congressman Sali is having with making the numbers add up on his own reports, maybe you can get a job with his campaign staff. They don't seem to understand the concept either.
I don't care where the money comes from...
I care what they do with it...I didn't hear not one thing in the article telling me anything about what these guys are truly standing for or why they feel I should elect them. I don't want to hear about what you think the other guy is doing, everybody can speak for themselves. I want to know what I can expect to hold them accountable for. If that is not included in summary, then why bother. Everybody gets money from everywhere...But it's not what you got, it's what you do with what you got that counts.
Irrelevant(?)
Hey, you two guys can duke it out on where the finances come from but the real issue is that Silly Sali is irrelevant when it comes to representing Idaho in Washington. If Idahoans are concerned about their representation then they will vote for someone who will have an opportunity to operate within the Democratic majority. That's going to be Minnick, a Democrat. Who's going to listen to Sali, a Republican, with his track record?
Not even the Rs, as demonstrated by the article.
=)
bcmboise, Thanks
for pointing out the obvious about Sali. Finally, I feel like it is not only up to me to point out his abundant short comings!
Dems say "Idaho Not For Sale"...
unless it is a lib buying?
Local political observer Adam Graham discovered that, as far as out-of-state money is concerned, things are worse for Walt Minnick than anybody realized. As Graham points out, when Bill Sali received significant support from the Club for Growth in 2006, the war cry of the Democrats was "Idaho is not for sale." Apparently they're now okay with the sale of the Gem State, as long as it's to fat cats from New York. The non-partisan Open Secrets website reports that an astonishing 71% of Minnick's campaign funds have come from out of state. Minnick has raised more money in New York City than in Boise. Minnick's supporters have been suddenly and strangely silent about the danger out of state money represents to the purity of Idaho politics. (Congressional Elections: Idaho District 01 Race: 2008 Cycle | OpenSecrets)
Dems say "Idaho Not For Sale"...
Why, is it only okay when the Republicans buy and sell Idaho? They have been doing it for years, that's how they turned this into a one Party state. It's only foul if the money is in the other Party's hand?
Nice 'circular reasoning' bend...
The point is the lib/dems always squawk about 'out-of-state' money. They are more in the guilty column than the republicans. Same way they whine about the 'rich' republicans all the while having more trust fund babies in elected positions. Their accusations usually better indict themselves. What are they doing about Dodd and his unseemly conection to countywide? Six others are involved, and I beleive they are all democrats. Teh press is sure staying mumm on it.
First off Neo, I would suggest that you discontinue quoting
Lil Adam. Second, since the Republican party in ID has set the bar for fundraising, I would be pissed if the Democrats didn't do whatever it takes to win. If it isn't against the rules, why should we handicap ourselves?
Your boys set the standard, don't whine like a b**ch because we start playing the game your way.
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
When BHO is your daddy, as all the libs seem to want...
then you can play the game any way he tells you to. Sorry you have such a limited vocabulary that you can't even type without vulgarity. I thought maybe that would convince me about your views. But, you don't have any.
minnick is your best. he is your candidate. So what if the right coast liberals are trying to buy the seat for him. 71%? seems a little over the top.
It is scary, but I think there are enough non-thinking libs to deliver this to the dems. Then we will take off down the trek of more over-taxing, and redistributing the wealth. Take from the eraner, give to the unproductive. If you coulod just harness the vote of the ones that plan to get all the benefits from the new lib/dem leadership, you couldn't miss. Most of them can't even bother to register, let alone vote.
Blah blah blah blah. Emperor Nero
speaks (or fiddles) the magic of the rushannitys.
I don't get to listen to Rush anymore...
see Hannity once in a while. I have formed this particular post from things you libs post here. I really doubt that the numbers of you that show up here is indicitive of the general population. Let's face it, the marketplace of ideas, radio and television have rejected your presentation of the facts. Combs is so lucky that Hannity uses him to display your side so he is not accused of lieing about your beliefs.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
I'm hoping the numbers of your type showing up here isn't indicative, too. Thanks, I needed that.
You dog me about having a limited vocabulary
and then launch a pair of posts rife with spelling and grammatical errors. I have no particular affinity for Minnick, but Sali is the best YOU got? Then you are in far worse shape than we are friend. And yes, you are just whining, since we have learned to play YOUR game, and we just might beat you at it. Poor baby, can't take it, when us Liberals (and that's Left Coast bright boy, get it? Left side of the country? Leftist? Even your attempts at insults fail) get the best of you, it just eats you up.
HA!
Obama '08
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
Grandjester, said person is unable to EVER post
in a coherent fashion, plus he is incredibly offensive and awful. Plus he views Sali as a mini God in terms of his scientific beliefs that abortion causes cancer and he is the next savior of this nation. Sali is a pathetic weasel who has no shame, no dignity, no will beyond his own self serving interests.
Great post BTW.
and don't forget
Sali tried to abolish gravity while in office too. Thanks to the R's for that one, way to make Idaho stand out.
Funny, CD, this same poster,
describes what "god" has given me as abundant, but then assumes because I am a dem that it is all on the backs of taxpayers, when my earnings are private and corporate. He can't ever get it straight. He has no logic, which makes it difficult to refute or question his posts.
Your posts, on the other hand are enjoyable, sometimes super funny and usually right on! Thanks!
Hey, Neoroman...
Are you Bryan Fischer? Or do you just copy and paste from Bryan Fischer's website without attribution?
Bub, I figure that neoroman is either Fischer or Adam Graham
Since all he does is parrot those two websites. When I called him out on Lil Adam he got very agitated, so we are on to something here! =)
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
Wow, you may be on to something here, GJ/Bub
NM and I got into a discussion earlier this week about the whole 10 Commandments debacle and I cited that the reason this whole thing came to a head was because of the Hate Gays plaque that was threatened by the American Taliban Fred Phelps and his "God Hates ____" team. NM seemed to brush the whole threat off as conjecture.
Now I am starting to wonder.
NM, so you don't think Fred Phelps was serious, eh? He's about as serious a hater as there is out there.
America - Improve it or Lose it
I personally think that Fred Phelps is a raging closet homo
I've thought that for years.
Well, Peej...
...you have the "raging" part correct. A raging lunatic.
America - Improve it or Lose it
Sali is for sale
But who would want him, even if he was for free. He's like an old bent slinky, not worth the powder to blow him back to Ohio.
Thanks washboard
for some accurate descriptions for a change! Excellent post!
What an imbalance
Democrat that I am, I can otherwise say that Mike Simpson does a more than creditable job in the House. He's professional and works hard and although I don't agree with his thinking on a fair number of matters, I like him. I'm in his district and I'll tell you a secret, I voted for him because I thought he was the stronger candidate. So, what an embarrassment it must be for him to have to share the Idaho delegation with a major league idiot like Sali. Yet, he gave him $4,000 from his own war chest. Makes me wonder about him now.
At least Simpson never tried to repeal gravity, nor has Crapo
been caught trolling airport restrooms. I guess we should be happy that half our Congressional team are not complete embarassments!
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
Funds........
We don't know if Minnick holds the lead in fundraising over Sali; Bill Sali is playing games with his campaign financing as reported in the Statesman this week. Remember?
Right...
..playing games are the operative words here.