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OpenCarry.org members visited Zoo Boise to make a point : comments
Submitted by admin on Sun, 07/20/2008 - 12:22am.
Packing "heat" in the Boise Zoo? What a bunch of Dufuse's
They can't be Idaho natives. There is nothing wrong with being armed in Idaho, but showing off the right at the Boise Zoo?
The Boise Zoo? Who is going to attack them? A run away stroller on the bridge? These people should be ashamed of themselves.
Carrying is one thing, but parading guns like bimbos at a family zoo is another. Were Brandi and Bryan there?
Dufuse's? Parading? Ashamed? Bimbo's? Do you not have a mirror?
Those people were simply exercising their Idaho constitutional rights! They were trying to educate people regarding those rights and a law that is often misunderstood. If they all carried concealed, do you think that would have made the news? If more people carried openly there would be a greater awareness about just how many of us walk around armed in this fair state! (yes, that awareness would include children.... many of them soon to be criminals) I applaud them. And yes, you do need to be 21 years old to apply for a concealed weapons licence in Idaho. That means you could make it back from Iraq after serving your country armed to the teeth, but not be eligable to carry concealed. Yeah. The great news is that thsnks to our constitution, we have the right to bear arms. open carry is a good right, grated us by our founding fathers for our ensured freedom and safety. Enjoy it. Some of you should step away from your computers and do something to help people, as these visitors did. Hey, if you don't like our rights, maybe you can go to Mexico. I hear only the cops and criminals have guns there.(often one and the same) That seems to be working well for them.
Excuse me. Idahoans know their rights
We are very much armed. We need some out of state yahoos to parade their weapons in our local kids zoo as a statement?
Now that is amusing. Brandi,Bryan are you there? Get serious.
The egoes of these creeps should be enough to prohibit them from carrying.
following that logic....
you shoulod be ashamed to post here!
neoroman...
We agree on this topic!
Also, isn't Zenj...assmuing they are from out of state. And if some of them were, so what, don't they also have a right to openly carry a gun?
I appreciate what they are doing. I think I'll start too!
No. The people who move in
No. The people who move in from out of Idaho should be aware of our gun rights. a good percentage of these people, as we all know, are Californian. A state that regulates firearms to an extreme end. Its getting to the point where Cali is a pre WWII Nazi Germany. Alot of people who bit*h and complain about people carrying firearms dont know what they are talking about and have little experience with them. As Ben Franklin once said "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Counterproductive
I'm a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, individual right for firearms, and concealed carry. However... this was just counterproductive. It only leaves a negative feeling in most people and if there were any kind of incident then it would have had a serious backlash.
agreed
calling attention like this just motivates those who would disarm us
So they were Texas visitors?
I thought Texas doesn't have open carry laws? Shouldn't they fight their own battles?
Open Carry...use it or lose it
I am from Maine...Maine also has an absolute guarantee to open carry. In the last 6 months at least two folk exercising the right, one in Portland and another in Augusta, were arrested. One had his weapon stolen by the police. The lesson is, what the law says is of less importance than what the police or their political masters desire. If you do not exercise the right, the right will go away.
First off, learn to spell please. Second...
off, this group is educating people such as yourself. We have a right in this great country of ours to purchase, own, and use firearms. It doesn't matter if they are walking down your neighborhood street, in corporate offices, or at the zoo. We have the 2nd Amendment as an insurance policy to protect all of the others. -Which includes your right to voice highbrow opinions. The real reason Americans were granted this right was in the event the people needed to overthrow a tyrranical government.
Additionally, one of the members was correct- "When seconds count, police are still minutes away." There are countless examples of armed citizens protecting themselves and others with firearms.
Why should these people be "ashamed"? What's so shameful about carrying a gun? Criminals will always have weapons. Why cannot law-abiding citizens carry firearms in your opinion? Please, explain your logic.
Thank God for these people. Keeping the American dream alive while educating others.
There are also countless examples...
where firearms intended for defensive purposes have discharged, accidentally and intentionally, resulting in death and injury. Your American dream is the majority's local nightmare. We need education on the perils of having more firearms in the hands of civilians.
And countless examples of guns SAVING lives...
I agree criminals and crazy people should not have guns. But for the rest of us who choose to have them, it means we aren't helpless sitting ducks waiting to be robbed or killed by crazy criminals with guns...ie. you want to restrict others rights because of your own fears?
Because of the reality
Paranoia is no justification for having a weapon.
Boiseriver, ...showing your own paranoia
huh? Second Amendment is driving you crazy I guess.
16,000 annual homicides is...
not paranoia. Fortunately, Idaho is not very violent in terms of street crimes. But do you really trust the government to conduct adequate background checks and to provide effective firearms training on a regular basis? Will gun owners be required to "certify" periodically just as they do re: driver's licenses?
Dangit, you have a right to bear arms
and that is the end of it. Get over it!
And "countless" other examples of accidental or intentional...
Death or injury by such things as:
Knives
Cars
Airplanes
Power Tools
Electrical outlets
Food
Drugs
Alcohol
Shovels
Pick-axes
Hammers
Industrial equipment
Tractors
Motorcycles
Skateboards
Etc., etc.
Also, "the majority's local nightmare." What world are you living in? I don't think the "majority" walk around fearing firearms. Do you think you might need some counseling?
I fear the typical person...
getting their hands of a firearm and not being responsible. Training, and not just one time, but on an ongoing basis is essential. Mental health evaluation - get pissed off at another driver, your boss, your teacher, your family member - whip out the old firearm and solve the problem.
The "typical person"
typically drives an automobile. Do they need mental health evaluations? Seriously Boiseriver, what would work for you? Government oversight in everything you do? If we're going to start having people get mental health evaluations, why don't we start with you so we can understand and empathize with your illogical exuberance for MORE GOVERNMENT.
Who's going to evaluate the evaluators?
I'm guessing a 1930's Nazi Germany would probably be your version of the "ideal."
Point us to those examples
and I am sure you can, and I will point you to hundreds of thousands of deaths due to pharmaceuticals and doctors. Hell, aspirin kills more people every year in America than accidental gun fire.
PJ that pure BS
About 500 die every year due to Asprin, there are thousands of "accidental" gun deaths every year, depending on what metric you use, about 700 just in hunting.
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
PJ got it right GrandJester
A study several years ago found that the negligence of doctors, nurses, etc. caused approx. 99,000 deaths per year of Americans. Your aspirin "logic" makes no sense.
You're absolutely correct
DR's and the pharm industry kill more people than just about anything else out there.
He specifically claimed Asprin killed more than firearm
accidents. That is patently and provably FALSE. Don't move the bar for him, he made a false statement, he's a big boy, he can defend himself.
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
Bogus number
Sorry, but this "About 500 die every year due to Asprin, there are thousands of "accidental" gun deaths every year, depending on what metric you use, about 700 just in hunting." Is bogus....'Thousands'? The CDC in Ju;y of this year advised that 3% (three) of all gun deaths were accidents. In 2005 under 31,000 people died by firearm. 3% of that number is....930. (reported by Forbes 30 June 08 from a CDC report)
Accidental deaths have been dropping, falling from around
1,400 a year to around 800, add that to hunting accidents and it is in the 1,500 to 2,200 range depending on the year. With 200-400 of "undetermined" status, yes, thousands.
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm
Not to mention...
The pharmacists who fill multiple prescriptions for the same medication for the same person with no questions asked!! That is what my mom did, she plotted her death and was getting all kinds of doctors to prescribe her ambien and other similar drugs, the doctors didn't have a clue but the pharmacist should have seen the red flags...one person doesn't need 4 prescriptions of ambien in one month!!! HELLO dude?? She saved up all of her little pills and took them at once...that pharmacist has never looked me in the eye ever since...sorry just a rant triggered by the mentioning of people dying from medications...I'm done for now...
ps
I bet the guy who got mauled by that tiger wished that someone would have had a gun handy!!!
Accidental gun deaths
I note folk are throwing around wishful thinking numbers again...here are some real numbers
There are more guns in the U.S. than cars (228,000,000 guns according to the 1998 FBI statistics and 207,754,000 automobiles according to the 1998 Federal Highway Administration registrations). Yet, you are 31 times more likely to be accidentally killed by a car than a gun according to the National Safety Council…despite cars having been registered and licensed for more than 100 years
Two-thirds of the people that die each year from gunfire are criminals shooting other criminals. * FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1994
Every year, people in the United States use a gun to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times- more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds. * Fall 1995, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology
accidental firearm deaths have declined more than 70% from an average of 3,000 deaths annually in the 1920s and 1930s to 800 in 2002. FBI statistics...341 folk drown in their own bathtub in 2000. We going to regulate those as well?
I could go on, and on, and on.
flyonthewall1
First off let me say that I agree with you with everything except whether we should walk around with our guns exposed. I don't want some pinhead carrying a gun just because he can. This increases the risk dramatically of something going wrong and we cannot assume that everyone who has a firearm is educated about firearms, and furthermore do we believe that all of those who own guns even have an average IQ. I know people who guns who have a below average IQ, scarry! I've seen what they do. I don't want these people carrying in a public place or anywhere else for that matter.
Whats even scarier is..
Whats even scarier is some Police departments are Disqualifying applicants for having too High an IQ
CONNECTICUT; Judge Rules That Police Can Bar High I.Q. Scores
A Federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit by a man who was barred from the New London police force because he scored too high on an intelligence test.
In a ruling made public on Tuesday, Judge Peter C. Dorsey of the United States District Court in New Haven agreed that the plaintiff, Robert Jordan, was denied an opportunity to interview for a police job because of his high test scores. But he said that that did not mean Mr. Jordan was a victim of discrimination.
Judge Dorsey ruled that Mr. Jordan was not denied equal protection because the city of New London applied the same standard to everyone: anyone who scored too high was rejected.
Mr. Jordan, 48, who has a bachelor's degree in literature and is an officer with the State Department of Corrections, said he was considering an appeal. ''I was eliminated on the basis of my intellectual makeup,'' he said. ''It's the same as discrimination on the basis of gender or religion or race.''
Applause for flyonthewall1.
Funny how folks who want to erode the Right to own and use firearms for our defense are also the most rabid about the "right" to pulverize babies in the womb, enact confiscatory taxation, and prohibit the free practice of bona fide Christianity.
Yield the "floor" to fly...
I feel so sorry for you poor
I feel so sorry for you poor victimized christians who are being prohibited from freely practicing your "bona fide" christianity. First of all, I don't think there are too many people who call themselves christians who act in any manner that jesus would've approved of. Secondly, while I'm sure that the whole victim thing feels good for you and sounds good in fiery sermons, it is completely a figment of your imagination (just like religion).
What to do
I was at a briefing at the University when they talked about what to do if someone came to the school and start shooting. The police asked what should you do....... The correct answer is "return fire"..
Yeah Rambo...
Yeah Rambo, don't forget to wear your flack jacket and brain bucket. You just never know when you'll be receiving "Incoming"....
Right......Put everyone else in a cross-fire
The correct answer is 'return fire'.
Even assuming that you are a decent shot at the range -- and we all know how many people own guns and never train with them -- there still is a high likelihood that your accuracy will be low when under fire. This is why police officers miss so much when they actually have to use their weapons. (Remember the Seattle instance, where the plainclothes detective and the patrol officer emptied their weapons at each other, and neither was shot?)
With your prescription, we'd have two or more people shooting the innocent, not just the perpetrator.
In your briefing, did the police actually say "return fire"? I would be surprised if they did.
these idiots needed to show off their guns at a zoo??..
I'm glad I wasn't there...coulda been shot by one of them idiots showing off their "constitutional rights"
Show off? Hardly.
When I put on work boots to go to work, it is for my own safety. It isn't required, but is my right. Same case with carrying a firearm. I would bet that none of those guns left their holsters. I would also bet that every one of those people are well versed in gun safety and have practiced in a safe environment. IE:range or shooting club. The idiots you speak of are the people that come here from out of state and do not take the time to know the law.
Danger of being shot
Sorry, but the FBI advises that police are 3-5 times more likely to shoot the wrong person than are armed civilians. I doubt you are all that anxious for the always late and seldom there police to also be disarmed.
Just heard this is going to make big time news
They are going to show a peacock daring to fan out in front of a gun.
I didn't see anything about guns and peacocks in the story...
but this was: "When seconds count, police are still minutes away," Actually in the story, and relative.
But Neo
Don't you realize we ain't supposed to defend ourselves or our loved ones? We are supposed to be good little sheeple and just call 911. They will come and write up a real nice report about our deaths. That makes everything OK.
So the next time you see family or friends in danger, Call 911 and sit on your hands and wait. It's the write thing to do.
Oops, Did I spell right wrong?
I used to open carry....
but with all the bad press, I felt the need to move to a conceal permit. People are so conditioned to bad guys having guns and good guys not, there is a huge leap when they actually see one.
Agreed
Yet maybe the whole reason people associate guns with bad guys is because the good guys ain't extreme enough.
I guess it falls into the squeaky wheel getting the oil type of thing.
I'm not exactly a gun nut myself. I do enjoy shooting and hunting but openly displaying does seem to be a little overboard in a city yet, Those who are anti gun have no problem with going to extremes to make their point.
I guess it takes all kinds and if we didn't have those willing to go to the extreme we would never find that happy medium.
I dunno, I'm just a dumb ole stone guy.
neroman, things have changed
You make a good point. Where I grew up in Montana, we had rifles in the backs of our trucks and many wore sidearms. If you went into a store or such, the most you might get asked is "Oh, out shooting today, get any gophers?" No one was afraid of guns because we pretty much knew each other. Now it is different. It is sad but true.
Neoroman
I've no problem with your right to own or carry guns. Heck one bad incident with another and you may well be the equalizer that saves my life. It's the mental state of the gun owner I fear.
Didn't know that ...
shootouts with bad people was an everyday occurrence in Idaho. If your luck is that bad, perhaps you should consider staying home.
You must not get out much there boiseriver...
All kinds of shootouts in this valley. Example: the dude on Broadway and Front, for one. How about The family Duncan killed to molest the babies. I sure wish those poor folks had a weapon they could have gotten to quickly. Since you are an ostrich, maybe you should stay home....
Two incidents...
are all you can name in a population of 1.47 million people?