Idaho GOP votes on Federal Reserve, dollar value at state convention : comments

Yessir, the WingNuts are in charge

While they're at it, let's just repeal the modern fractional reserve banking system altogether.

(and demand Idaho's sovereign airspace be free of black helicopters!)

Fractional Reserve Banking System

Hay I'm glad you suggested that the fractional reserve system is a bad system and was created by and for greedy dishonest bankers. An honest bank needs to keep 100% backing in their vaults of precious metal for the purpose of returning the customers gold or other precious metals back to him at the time he requests it.The Federal Reserve System was copied off of the Bank of England and the kind of control that our founding fathers were fought against.We as a nation need to completely break our ties financial and otherwise from "ole mother England" and be a truly sovereign nation.

Bring back the gold/silver standard?

Not a bad idea really. Since the dollar is currently valued based on the nebulous "strength" of the US economy that is in the toidy bowl.

What caused the current state of the economy? I forget....could it be federal policies? Overprinting of USD's, unbridled borrowing, minimal oversight, a corrupt system.

Yea, business as usual when the foxes are guarding the henhouse.

Gold Standard

Is the way to go. Can't print any more than you have the gold to back.

Uh...

...sure, let's back our money with a piece of yellow metal rather than the productivity of American workers. Right. Next. By the way, is your latest batch of tallow soap ready yet?

well

The Federal Reserve, which by the way is neither Federal or a Reserve, is a bunch of PRIVATE bankers lending the government money. It hasn't worked and it's enslaved the American people who are in debt. All of the American people are in debt.

So, I'd say it's not working. But, we can do what this Admin has been doing and when something's not working just throw out some fancy words and policies and pretend we live in NeverNeverland.

The Fed is a scam and a scar on the American people. Throw that load down, it's getting heavy.

Well..by..passmore

Direct to the point, accurate analogy, and should be chanted by all Americans, (people born in America), not the infused population of the United States, that are here to bail out the same crooks that got us into this hell of a mess.

A Step in the Right Direction

History has shown that all fiat monetary systems eventually fail. The dollar has dropped to its lowest point ever, not to mention a historical low against the Euro. Time to get out from under the manipulation and control of central banks and return to sound money.

Federal Reserve Scam...

Those of you who enjoy the status quo don't understand what a scam the Federal Reserve or other central banks are.

Where do you think they get the billions of dollars that they lend? They just print it, or enter numbers on a computer. They do not have this money that they lend or anything to back it, it's just created out of thin air. Then, they lend you (or the government) this money that they counterfeit and charge you interest on it!

There is more money owed (because interest is added) than exists in the economy. The economy must grow exponentially, consuming natural resources at an ever increasing rate, to maintain the machine. Write-offs, repossessions, bankruptcies and foreclosures are an unavoidable part of this money system because not enough money exists to repay debts.

As more money is printed, it makes the value of the existing money worth less and less, thus causing inflation. Inflations robs people of their savings and earnings, and transfers wealth to the elite. At some point, the dollar will experience hyper inflation and will become worth less than the paper it's printed on. Pennies and nickels are already worth more for their metal than their face value.

The secret, private bankers that own and control the Federal Reserve will continue until they own the world. They already own the US government and control most of the countries' wealth. Eventually, central banks will consolidate (European Union, African Union, North American Union, etc.) until they have created a new world order and will rule the world. This is why it doesn't matter who you vote for, as both parties are owned by the same powers. This is why illegal immigration is not stopped, because the bankers want a single world government.

War is extremely profitable for banks. The same banks lend money to conflicting countries to fund their wars. President Bush's grandfather was laundering money to support Hitler. Lincoln was assassinated because he created a central bank that was controlled by the government. JFK was assassinated because he attempted to rein in the Federal Reserve Bank.

Oh, and let's not forget the great depression. The Federal Reserve Bank was created with the promise that bank failures and depression would no longer happen; yet they deliberately caused the worst economic period in the 20th century. They lent out huge amounts of money, which fueled the "roaring 20's" and then called in the loans, causing the stock market crash. After the crash they continued to reduce the money supply, which threw the nation into a depression.

So Strategery....

...have you just discontinued voting then, since it doesn't really matter?

Do you think Ron Paul would have continued down the same path?

That's the answer

That's the answer to everything. I've said it before from the folks that are not willing to even look at something differently.

But hell, what do expect from a pig other than a grunt?

Federal Reserve Scam..by..strategery

I like the way you think, and guess who is heading up all this malarky, the Democrats, or Republicans. The answer is any and all of them. They are all crooks being used as chess pieces by the truly rich, and independent people!

Will they change the slogan of the party too?

Republicans: Taking you back to the 19th Century.

Pegging currencies to precious metals was discontinued because it restricted the growth of the economy to the amount of a finite resource held by the government. Anyone who advocates capitalism and a free market economy would utterly reject this idea.

Note: This is not a defence of the Federal Reserve, just a rejection of an ignorant proposal.

Actually...

Central banks have existed since ancient times. And, all civilizations that used them ended in failure. Assassinations over central banks happened thousands of years ago too.

A central bank controlled England. The founding fathers knew this, and wrote the constitution to protect us from (private) central banks. The Federal Reserve Bank, as it stands today, is unconstitutional.

It is unrealistic to base money on a single commodity. And, using more than one doesn't work either because the exchange rate between the two (gold & silver for example) constantly changes.

If our money system were based on gold; the dollar is so inflated that gold would cost $10,000/oz or more.

The best thing to do would be to put the Federal Reserve Bank directly under government control. Then, the government could control the most powerful entity in the US and perhaps the world. Interest rates and inflation could be set where there would be the most benefit, instead of for Wall Street. Most of the national debt would be eliminated; as most of the national debt is simply money that was stolen through inflation and loaned to the government with interest. Unfortunately, anyone in a position to do this has already been threatened, bought-off or is a stake holder in the Federal Reserve Bank. JFK tried to do this, and look what happened...

Another point I forgot in my previous post: income taxes on labor were created with the Federal Reserve Act (basically to fund the government's payments to the bank). This tax is unconstitutional (ruled so twice by the supreme court). There is no federal statue that requires paying federal income tax on labor. Similarly, there is no such statue that charters the IRS, which is an illegal, unconstitutional organization that operates outside of ethics and laws. Why does the IRS settle for pennies on the dollar for delinquent taxes? Because they have no legal ability to collect such taxes!

Two questions:

What are the SCOTUS cases that have ruled Fed tax on labor is unconstitutional. Since the 16th Amendment states:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
I have heard others say that (wasn't that Snipes' defense?), but don't see how it could be ruled unconstitutional given the 16th Amendment?

What article/section/amendment makes the Federal Reserve unconstitutional.

Not defending FRB, just looking for clarification.

Several people have one

Several people have one cases against taxation based on the definition of "income." I believe, and I haven't much researched this, that the original intent was not to tax people's labor. Wikipedia to the rescue:

quote

Several tax protesters assert that the Congress has no constitutional power to tax labor or income from labor,[3] citing a variety of court cases. These arguments include claims that the word "income" as used in the Sixteenth Amendment cannot be interpreted as applying to wages; that wages are not income because labor is exchanged for them; that taxing wages violates individuals' right to property,[4] and several others.

end-quote

So true

Forget the series of panics & crashes we had in the 1700s, 1800s, early 1900s until 1911...that don't matter, it's all one big conspiracy. (next they'll vote to test all Idahoans' blood for those reptilian genes)

At some point the big investors in Idaho (i.e. HP, Micron, Coldwater, et al) are gonna wake up and say...Whaaaaat?

Just because something is

Just because something is old does not mean it is not worthwhile.

There is a lot to back up the claims that it is the constant tinkering (mostly one way--expansion) of the money supply that causes the large bubbles in the economy and that the money supply issue unfairly helps the wealthy financial institutions at the expense of the middle and lower classes. Now, I'm not sure a "gold standard" is the way to go either, but I do think that our current monetary policy and debt-based economy is going to cause much harm in the near-to-medium future. If the gold standard would help change the economy to a capital-based economy, or that gold standard people even indirectly help bring the federal reserve into the discussion spotlight, then I say let it continue. I think there are plenty of smart people who have advocated a gold standard in the recent past--Alan Greenspan for one. It is not an open-and-shut case of the "old way" and the "right way".

It's a better slogan by far than...

So Knaves may freely beat their chattel.

Good for them

Inflation/the drop in the value of the dollar is the primary reason that gas has more than doubled since the Iraq War started. Our government prints money out of thin air (or borrows it from China, etc) to finance wars based on lies -- this has caused massive inflation!

Meanwhile massive war profiteering is going on with no-bid contracts (most members of congress are invested in these companies). To add insult to injury the neocons then try to blame high gas prices on environmentalists and countries in the middle east. Ridiculous.

Gold & Silver

Japan & China are buying up Gold and Silver just like they did the cement & Steel. Where do you think all the TV ads are sending the Precious metal to??? The lowest bidder??? Or the Highest!!! It is not staying here in the US Folks.

Federal Reserve

Well it's about damn time.The Federal Reserve has been a drain on our Nation and our economy for way to long now, and its about time we as Americans take a serious look at ridding ourselves of this Cancer that has been plaging the economy of the United States for so many years. It was created by Greedy Bankers wanting to Control the Nation by controlling our money supply and charging our government interest creating the largest federal deficit in our nations history.We as a nation need to come together on this issue, and rid ourselves of this Central Greedy Bank and return to the only standard that works precious metal backed money.We have the authority to print our own money using the Treasury Department and thats what we need to do. President Abraham Lincoln did it during the civil war, the money he had printed up was called "Greenbacks" and we can do it again now.In the late 1700's and early 1800's the Colonists also printed up their own money and were very prosperious, until the English rulers outlawed the Colonists ability to print and use their own money.Thus this was the true reason for the colonial revolt against England. England refused to allow the Colonists to use their "Colonial Script". Thomas Jefferson hated and fought to keep this country from having a Central Bank and rightly so.Banks are in business for 1 reason and 1 reason only and that is to make money and create more wealth for themselves at our expence, and they don't care what it costs.

This is wonderful. I can see how JM, JR, and BS,

are all going to run full page ads and TV commercials telling how they wish to go back on the gold standard and how their first proposed action will be to abolish the Fed reserve and the IRS. Yup. Ise can see it all cleerly now.

Will there be a campaign on TV, radio and the internet...

on how to convert your wallet to a coin purse by 2009?

I'll be thrilled when these retards are booted from You Tube too

Dollar's value

If you go back to 1913, and compare the value of the dollar for what it could buy, and see the difference today, you would realize that our money has devalued to approx. 2 cents, possibly less, given the recent fiasco. Not bad, given almost 100 years.

There is an alternative that a good friend suggested. Why not a 3 tiered money system? Silver, for everyday stuff, gold, for major purchases, and rhodium for international payments. We also need to be self-sufficient in energy, and support wars that ARE DECLARED by our Congress, not INSTIGATED by the UN.

Right now we are virtual slaves to hucksters and the ever-present interest rates. The Fed can inflate at will and we will see hyper-inflation at some point. We are not immune to the natural laws of economics.

We don't need to discontinue the Dollar...

We don't need to discontinue the Dollar, we just need to re-name it to.....The Penny.

How many quid is that?

Big Problem. Think of all those coins you will

have to watch closely as you go thru the metal detectors.

Will the IRS join TSA at the airport?