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Submitted by siagon74 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 2:38pm.
No one is immune to Alcoholism.... Statistics show that 90% of people with DUI arrests are alcoholics. This guy has a disease, no need to make a big deal out of it. It shouldn't ruin his career if he can have it treated.
Do you know him or his particular situation? You should be careful to suggest he is an alcoholic and also careful throwing around ridiculous statistics. And there is a need to make a big deal out of this situation.
Submitted by siagon74 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 3:02pm.
I don't know him, but I do know alot about the treatment of diseases and alcoholism. How many "normal" drinkier do you know get into autos and drive while impaired? How many "normal" drinkers would do it, knowing if caught, it would ruin their careers? What's the benefit of making a "Big Deal" out of it? He's another person in our society who got a DUI. There were probably a dozen DUI's issued last night. This is the only one that made the news... By virtue of him being a policeman, he is news. Reminds me of the story of the two Dr's who were brought before the Board of Medicine a couple of weeks ago. By virtue of their professions, their right to privacy is no longer present.
Submitted by siagon74 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 3:16pm.
Maybe privacy is not a right in certian situations, but in Medical records it is. It's in the "Public interest" that certian professionals be monitored and the safety of the general public should be the major concern. But alot of this information boders on gossip. Let's say that you, P_J got diagnosed with type I diabetes. Would the secondary complication of impotence be newsworty? It maybe to some, but I'd think it's more of a right to keep your medical problems to yourself... Of course, it's not against the law to have diabetes. Those physicians problems were not against the law. The Board of Medicine's records are open to the public too, but really... what or who does such information benefit?
Submitted by curious2 on Sun, 04/27/2008 - 12:37am.
You guys all belong to the government. You're public servants. Your "right" to privacy belongs to the government - it's not your right. When you decide you want to change careers and get out from under the big thumb (as much as possible!) then you can complain and/or worry. That's just the way it is.
The idea about making it a big deal is that we have the highest expectations on Police Officers. There is no way that he will be able to keep his job, the credibility of our police force would be shot. What don't you get about this? He is not just "another person in our society" who got a DUI. I agree he made a mistake and we all make mistakes, even "normal drinkiers", but he should not keep his job.
Submitted by siagon74 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 4:18pm.
Wisdomman, the statistics can be made to fit any agenda. However, in my research and experience, it's even less people who have DUI's that don't really have a "problem" with alcohol, the 'reality' would be more like 97% of DUI's should be in some program. 100% of repete offenders..
I see that he was picked up by another agency. I wonder what would have happened if he had been pulled over by Boise Police. I have the feeling we've got a day of cop bashing ahead of us on this thread.
Submitted by wacojaco on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 5:53pm.
yes, imagine if one of his buds would have stopped him. same thing with the cop from mountain home. tom berry. got pulled over by an isp officer, not a mountain home cop.
makes you wonder how many times these guys have been out drinking and driving and pulled over by one of their friends and just let go.
He got pulled over... he's going to get a DUI... He's going to lose his job... and still you blab and blab about how many officers get pulled over by their friends and DON'T get DUI's...
I know it's a hard concept to accept... but maybe most police officers DON'T drink and drive because they KNOW the consequences...
I have no use for drunk drivers. Being an alcoholic does not excuse driving a car while loaded. He made a choice to get in the car... bad choice... bad consequences.
Should he keep his job? Heck no!!! If you can't follow the laws, how can you enforce the law?! I'm sorry, but when you clip the badge on your shirt, you swear to uphold the law. Drinking and driving is NOT upholding the law. There's a help wanted sign in the window at FatDonalds down the street. He'll fit in nicely there (riding to work on his WalMart mountain bike)
I know a three time DUI queen who's daddy works for ISP. ISP troopers have delivered her home several times when they caught her DUI. Boise PD and Meridian PD finally snagged her (three times!). Typically no love loss between local and state cops. I guess that might help explain why ISP took him in.
Perhaps he was bailed out before they had a chance to fingerprint him and take his photo? What gives? I wonder if he used the bailbondsman who's being sued by BSU for selling blue-turf towels?
Submitted by bill8664 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 2:58pm.
Buzz Cut hair, looks like he just got out of the military, slightly overweight and more than likely part of the Master Race. They all look the same here in Boise I dee Ho
If you or I were charged with DUI, our pictures and arrest information would be published on the Ada County website. If BPD has an explanation for why Gary Miller's arrest information was not put on the website, they need to provide it to the public. Otherwise, the Boise police ombudsman should investigate and hold the people responsible accountable.
You are wrong... the VAST majority of those arrested for DUI do NOT have their mugshots put in the paper... They'd have to include a new section if they did...
Know what you are talking about before you post... Maybe then people will believe anything you say.
Submitted by daveinid on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 6:26pm.
You are correct. The mugshots are not put into the paper. Its a website. So then please enlighten us how it is determined who gets the public humiliation treatment?!
Maybe there are people who would love to get his picture and maybe his family's home address, while their at it...
Not that most people would care. I get sick of people bashing on police, and police are the only reason you can sit in your home and post on the internet.
I suppose everyone thinks they could handle everything themselves... People are brave until something actually happens...
Submitted by daveinid on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 6:46pm.
Don't be ignorant! Cops wear their name on their uniforms every day while doing their job. Ada County chose not to post the booking photo because he was a cop. By the way, when was the last time you heard about an Ada County Sheriff arresting a Boise cop? Just a question......
Also, cops look different in uniform than they do in their civilian clothes... They are also not real popular while they are in the jail...
Again, bottom line... the other 13 people who got DUI's didn't get page long articles written about them... I still don't see any preferential treatment... at least none that benefit's the officer...
thegreencantina, you are the one who is wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about. No one said anything about publishing photos in the newspaper. The Ada County Sheriff's website publishes the photos and arrest information of dozens of people every day who are arrested. Again, the law enforcement agencies involved owe the public an explanation for why this officer's photo and arrest information was not published on the website.
I am curious, why does it matter really? If there is some sort of cover up going on by law enforcement as a favor it would seem that they really suck at it since the story made the news. He was arrested, apparently going to lose his job, at this point whether his picture appears on the website at this moment isn't going to make any difference in the consequences.
How many other write ups did you see in the paper for DUI arrests? There were 13 in the last 24 hours... None of them got covered by the press, posted on five different websites... How many of them will lose their jobs because of it...
I dislike the different standard, too...
The officer was arrested... Please describe the different standard...
Theres no proof of a different standard for law enforcement vs other citizens. So far thats only an accusation by you. Unless you have proof that his picture is not there because someone inside purposely left it out BECAUSE he is a law enforcement officer. Had he been let go and not charged at all, well you would have a point. However, crying cover-up just because of a website, well thats jumping to conclusions.
There were at least 15 people arrested for DUI in the last 24 hours. 14 of those individuals had their arrest information and photo published on the Ada Sheriff's website. I'm simply asking for an explanation for why the 15th individual didn't have his information published like the rest of the citizens.
If you and the greencantina think that a police officer getting a dui shouldn't be any more of a news story than anyone else, then feel free to make that argument. That's not my point. I'm only talking about the Ada Sheriff's website, and I am simply asking for an explanation for why this officer's photo and arrest information wasn't included when other citizens were.
You are the one who has asserted that there is different treatment for cops vs regular citizens. You have no proof of this, in addition you refuse to see both sides of the "different treatment". That is MY point. Your bias is very clear.
Submitted by wisdomman on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 7:45pm.
I don't think his pic should be posted either. He's a Law Enforcement Officer for Gawd's sake. He's probaly arrested people, made some enemies. I don't feel it's appropriate to paste his photo up so some thug can see he may be home, not working, expose an opportunity for "payback", whatever. It's just not necessary.. WHAT"S the big deal? Not every story has a photo.
You believe that there should be a different standard when it comes to posting the photos of law enforcement officials on the Ada Sheriff's website, and I appreciate that although I respectfully disagree.
Submitted by wisdomman on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 8:06pm.
I just think people in harms way SHOULD be afforded a different standard, if that's the way you prefer to look at it or call it, when it comes to any security aspect of their life, no matter how small it may be perceived or viewed.
Why didn't the other 14 get full page articles written about them. Also won't have their names or businesses mentioned on 6 different news channels and websites...
You are worried about why the officer doesn't get the same public humiliation that the other 14 got simply because his picture is not on their website?
Who do you think will be the more humiliated... the 14 other DUI's with their picture on one obscure website or the one who got his life story posted all over the paper, news, and web...
If it were truly fair... there wouldn't have been a story written about him...
Also, I didn't notice that any of the folks on the Ada County website had their employers mentioned... again, if you want to be fair... they should put all of the people on there's employers on there, too...
Submitted by daveinid on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 7:20pm.
Who the others employers were. It's not news. When you put the badge on you put in on for life. That is what is taught at POST. By taking the oath you know that you will be expected to hold yourself to a higher standard and will be arm chair quarterbacked by everyone including the media whether you are in uniform or not, on-duty or not. The question being brought up is WHY HIS PICTURE WAS NOT POSTED like all the others who chose to drink and drive, and were caught last night.
Submitted by daveinid on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 4:00pm.
that we don't hear of this happening more often. It's very rare that you hear of arrests of Boises' "finest". If this man had been pulled over by a Boise Officer I would bet a substantial amount of money we would not have read about this. He wouldn't have been arrested. What ethics in the Boise Police Department? I think not......
Submitted by siagon74 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 4:03pm.
You maybe correct in your assumption. I came from a Law Enforcement family. There was always "professional" courtsies when we were pulled over. My Step-dad had his uniform (State Police) on when his photo for his license was taken... that's a dead giveaway.
Submitted by daveinid on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 4:18pm.
the public courtesy displayed in this case was that his face wasn't pasted on the arrest report. What's up with that anyway? If any citizen is "picked up" they are subject to the public embarrasment. So what gives Ada County?
Submitted by Realist2007 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 4:38pm.
If this officer has so little regard for the laws he is sworn to protect, that he would drive drunk, an example should be made of him...you're fired. I am sure good officers don’t want to have their legitimacy and good name sullied. I for one will remember this cop DUI should I get pulled over for speeding. Awfully suspect his pic is not on the Ada arrest website...
I feel bad for these guys, they're only human. After seeing the carnage a drunk can do on the road over and over, I would have thought they'd be the last to drink and drive. The Homedale officer resigned, by the way.
Alcoholism is statistically still the number one substance abuse problem. There is so much damage and tragedy perpetrated by this disease and still we practically condone it. As a former drug and alcohol treatment provider and DUI evaluator, the standard was that anyone who acquired two DUI's was considered to be alcoholic. The reasoning was that if you've been caught twice, there's no telling how many other times you drove and didn't get caught. The stigma,expense,threat of loss of job or reputation etc., etc., is enough to stop most people from continually doing it unless they are alcoholic. I know, I know, anyone can get one DUI. However there are several employers that can terminate you even if you are driving and pulled over and have been found to be drinking although you are under the legal limit on a breathalyzer test. Scream all you want, that is the situation.
Submitted by coldonions on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 5:50pm.
I think that not only should he have lost his job, he should have been charged with attempted murder, along with everyone that gets a dui. There is no excuse for getting behind the wheel drunk. Just because he's lucky that he didn't kill anyone this time doesn't mean that he almost didn't. And people who do kill people while they're drunk should be charged with premeditated murder. If they went to the bar planning on getting drunk and driving themself home, that's the same as planning on killing someone. The law is too soft on people who could care less about the human life.
Submitted by siagon74 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 5:58pm.
Oh, now advocate putting people in prison for decades for first DUI. Like our prisons are not already overcrowded. Alcoholism is a disease, as treatable as Diabetes. It's the one disease that tells the person who has it that they do not have a disease. I would suggest you become a little more informed before calling for Felony Assult type charges...
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(In voice of Nelson Muntz) Ha ha.
Thought of another comment..
Isn't it funny how alcoholism is the only disease you can get yelled at for having? - Mitch Hedberg
Isn't it strange to see BOISE POLICE.......
as a headline without the word shoots or gunned down in it? I do suport the police, just wanted to stir the pot.
No one is immune ....
No one is immune to Alcoholism.... Statistics show that 90% of people with DUI arrests are alcoholics. This guy has a disease, no need to make a big deal out of it. It shouldn't ruin his career if he can have it treated.
Yeah
Do you know him or his particular situation? You should be careful to suggest he is an alcoholic and also careful throwing around ridiculous statistics. And there is a need to make a big deal out of this situation.
I don't know him..
I don't know him, but I do know alot about the treatment of diseases and alcoholism. How many "normal" drinkier do you know get into autos and drive while impaired? How many "normal" drinkers would do it, knowing if caught, it would ruin their careers? What's the benefit of making a "Big Deal" out of it? He's another person in our society who got a DUI. There were probably a dozen DUI's issued last night. This is the only one that made the news... By virtue of him being a policeman, he is news. Reminds me of the story of the two Dr's who were brought before the Board of Medicine a couple of weeks ago. By virtue of their professions, their right to privacy is no longer present.
What right to privacy?
I keep on hearing people toss around the phrase "Right to Privacy." I wasn't aware such a thing existed.
Maybe it's not a "right"...
Maybe privacy is not a right in certian situations, but in Medical records it is. It's in the "Public interest" that certian professionals be monitored and the safety of the general public should be the major concern. But alot of this information boders on gossip. Let's say that you, P_J got diagnosed with type I diabetes. Would the secondary complication of impotence be newsworty? It maybe to some, but I'd think it's more of a right to keep your medical problems to yourself... Of course, it's not against the law to have diabetes. Those physicians problems were not against the law. The Board of Medicine's records are open to the public too, but really... what or who does such information benefit?
What "Right"?
You guys all belong to the government. You're public servants. Your "right" to privacy belongs to the government - it's not your right. When you decide you want to change careers and get out from under the big thumb (as much as possible!) then you can complain and/or worry. That's just the way it is.
normal drinkier?
The idea about making it a big deal is that we have the highest expectations on Police Officers. There is no way that he will be able to keep his job, the credibility of our police force would be shot. What don't you get about this? He is not just "another person in our society" who got a DUI. I agree he made a mistake and we all make mistakes, even "normal drinkiers", but he should not keep his job.
Siagon, Are you sure about that?
Or, is it off the cuff? Not doubting you, just amazed at that statistic.
The statistics can be made to fit any agenda..
Wisdomman, the statistics can be made to fit any agenda. However, in my research and experience, it's even less people who have DUI's that don't really have a "problem" with alcohol, the 'reality' would be more like 97% of DUI's should be in some program. 100% of repete offenders..
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I see that he was picked up by another agency. I wonder what would have happened if he had been pulled over by Boise Police. I have the feeling we've got a day of cop bashing ahead of us on this thread.
imagine that
yes, imagine if one of his buds would have stopped him. same thing with the cop from mountain home. tom berry. got pulled over by an isp officer, not a mountain home cop.
makes you wonder how many times these guys have been out drinking and driving and pulled over by one of their friends and just let go.
practice what you preach gentlemen...
Jesus, are you people never happy???
He got pulled over... he's going to get a DUI... He's going to lose his job... and still you blab and blab about how many officers get pulled over by their friends and DON'T get DUI's...
I know it's a hard concept to accept... but maybe most police officers DON'T drink and drive because they KNOW the consequences...
Get over yourselves...
You're Fired!
I have no use for drunk drivers. Being an alcoholic does not excuse driving a car while loaded. He made a choice to get in the car... bad choice... bad consequences.
Should he keep his job? Heck no!!! If you can't follow the laws, how can you enforce the law?! I'm sorry, but when you clip the badge on your shirt, you swear to uphold the law. Drinking and driving is NOT upholding the law. There's a help wanted sign in the window at FatDonalds down the street. He'll fit in nicely there (riding to work on his WalMart mountain bike)
I know a three time DUI queen who's daddy works for ISP. ISP troopers have delivered her home several times when they caught her DUI. Boise PD and Meridian PD finally snagged her (three times!). Typically no love loss between local and state cops. I guess that might help explain why ISP took him in.
You are full of crap...
Name a name or shut up...
Why No Mugshot On Adasheriff dot ORG?
Perhaps he was bailed out before they had a chance to fingerprint him and take his photo? What gives? I wonder if he used the bailbondsman who's being sued by BSU for selling blue-turf towels?
You get the picture
Buzz Cut hair, looks like he just got out of the military, slightly overweight and more than likely part of the Master Race. They all look the same here in Boise I dee Ho
If you or I were charged
If you or I were charged with DUI, our pictures and arrest information would be published on the Ada County website. If BPD has an explanation for why Gary Miller's arrest information was not put on the website, they need to provide it to the public. Otherwise, the Boise police ombudsman should investigate and hold the people responsible accountable.
Don't speak if you don't know what you are talking about...
You are wrong... the VAST majority of those arrested for DUI do NOT have their mugshots put in the paper... They'd have to include a new section if they did...
Know what you are talking about before you post... Maybe then people will believe anything you say.
In the paper huh?
You are correct. The mugshots are not put into the paper. Its a website. So then please enlighten us how it is determined who gets the public humiliation treatment?!
Have you ever thought maybe it's a safety concern?
Maybe there are people who would love to get his picture and maybe his family's home address, while their at it...
Not that most people would care. I get sick of people bashing on police, and police are the only reason you can sit in your home and post on the internet.
I suppose everyone thinks they could handle everything themselves... People are brave until something actually happens...
Safety concern?
Don't be ignorant! Cops wear their name on their uniforms every day while doing their job. Ada County chose not to post the booking photo because he was a cop. By the way, when was the last time you heard about an Ada County Sheriff arresting a Boise cop? Just a question......
I know it's not possible that it's because most cops don't...
Break the law...
Also, cops look different in uniform than they do in their civilian clothes... They are also not real popular while they are in the jail...
Again, bottom line... the other 13 people who got DUI's didn't get page long articles written about them... I still don't see any preferential treatment... at least none that benefit's the officer...
thegreencantina, you are the
thegreencantina, you are the one who is wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about. No one said anything about publishing photos in the newspaper. The Ada County Sheriff's website publishes the photos and arrest information of dozens of people every day who are arrested. Again, the law enforcement agencies involved owe the public an explanation for why this officer's photo and arrest information was not published on the website.
I was not wrong...
The mugshots aren't posted in the paper, and that's what I said...
The other thing that the papers don't do is post stories about the other 53 people arrested that day...
Let's talk about public humiliation...
clyde
I am curious, why does it matter really? If there is some sort of cover up going on by law enforcement as a favor it would seem that they really suck at it since the story made the news. He was arrested, apparently going to lose his job, at this point whether his picture appears on the website at this moment isn't going to make any difference in the consequences.
I guess it doesn't really
I guess it doesn't really matter if it doesn't bother you that there is a different standard for law enforcement than for other citizens.
It bothers me that there's a different standard...
How many other write ups did you see in the paper for DUI arrests? There were 13 in the last 24 hours... None of them got covered by the press, posted on five different websites... How many of them will lose their jobs because of it...
I dislike the different standard, too...
The officer was arrested... Please describe the different standard...
Theres no proof
Theres no proof of a different standard for law enforcement vs other citizens. So far thats only an accusation by you. Unless you have proof that his picture is not there because someone inside purposely left it out BECAUSE he is a law enforcement officer. Had he been let go and not charged at all, well you would have a point. However, crying cover-up just because of a website, well thats jumping to conclusions.
There were at least 15
There were at least 15 people arrested for DUI in the last 24 hours. 14 of those individuals had their arrest information and photo published on the Ada Sheriff's website. I'm simply asking for an explanation for why the 15th individual didn't have his information published like the rest of the citizens.
Fair enough
When you ask your question, please ask why 14 of the 15 did not get a full story in the Idaho Statesman today either. Thanks in advance.
If you and the greencantina
If you and the greencantina think that a police officer getting a dui shouldn't be any more of a news story than anyone else, then feel free to make that argument. That's not my point. I'm only talking about the Ada Sheriff's website, and I am simply asking for an explanation for why this officer's photo and arrest information wasn't included when other citizens were.
What I think is irrelevant
You are the one who has asserted that there is different treatment for cops vs regular citizens. You have no proof of this, in addition you refuse to see both sides of the "different treatment". That is MY point. Your bias is very clear.
I/O and Cantina Aren't the only ones that disagree with you.
I don't think his pic should be posted either. He's a Law Enforcement Officer for Gawd's sake. He's probaly arrested people, made some enemies. I don't feel it's appropriate to paste his photo up so some thug can see he may be home, not working, expose an opportunity for "payback", whatever. It's just not necessary.. WHAT"S the big deal? Not every story has a photo.
You believe that there
You believe that there should be a different standard when it comes to posting the photos of law enforcement officials on the Ada Sheriff's website, and I appreciate that although I respectfully disagree.
And It's OK to Disagree.
I just think people in harms way SHOULD be afforded a different standard, if that's the way you prefer to look at it or call it, when it comes to any security aspect of their life, no matter how small it may be perceived or viewed.
And I'm simply asking...
Why didn't the other 14 get full page articles written about them. Also won't have their names or businesses mentioned on 6 different news channels and websites...
You are worried about why the officer doesn't get the same public humiliation that the other 14 got simply because his picture is not on their website?
Who do you think will be the more humiliated... the 14 other DUI's with their picture on one obscure website or the one who got his life story posted all over the paper, news, and web...
If it were truly fair... there wouldn't have been a story written about him...
Also, I didn't notice that any of the folks on the Ada County website had their employers mentioned... again, if you want to be fair... they should put all of the people on there's employers on there, too...
Don't you think?
No one cares......
Who the others employers were. It's not news. When you put the badge on you put in on for life. That is what is taught at POST. By taking the oath you know that you will be expected to hold yourself to a higher standard and will be arm chair quarterbacked by everyone including the media whether you are in uniform or not, on-duty or not. The question being brought up is WHY HIS PICTURE WAS NOT POSTED like all the others who chose to drink and drive, and were caught last night.
Shoot straight.
This might explain why they take so many shots...hiccup. There were 2 of em I swear!
I think it a bit odd
that we don't hear of this happening more often. It's very rare that you hear of arrests of Boises' "finest". If this man had been pulled over by a Boise Officer I would bet a substantial amount of money we would not have read about this. He wouldn't have been arrested. What ethics in the Boise Police Department? I think not......
Daveinid...
You maybe correct in your assumption. I came from a Law Enforcement family. There was always "professional" courtsies when we were pulled over. My Step-dad had his uniform (State Police) on when his photo for his license was taken... that's a dead giveaway.
I assume
the public courtesy displayed in this case was that his face wasn't pasted on the arrest report. What's up with that anyway? If any citizen is "picked up" they are subject to the public embarrasment. So what gives Ada County?
What's so odd... Maybe they don't do it...
If a cop gets a DUI he loses his job... Period... a good paying job with benefits... Maybe THAT's why you don't hear of it happening more...
Kind of like how you don't hear of UPS drivers getting DUI's often...
Not odd at all...
Also, I'd be interested to hear specifics about what you know about Boise PD's ethics... Or are you just blowing hot air...
Its about accountability
If this officer has so little regard for the laws he is sworn to protect, that he would drive drunk, an example should be made of him...you're fired. I am sure good officers don’t want to have their legitimacy and good name sullied. I for one will remember this cop DUI should I get pulled over for speeding. Awfully suspect his pic is not on the Ada arrest website...
A Homedale officer was arrested for DUI on April 2.
I feel bad for these guys, they're only human. After seeing the carnage a drunk can do on the road over and over, I would have thought they'd be the last to drink and drive. The Homedale officer resigned, by the way.
Number one problem
Alcoholism is statistically still the number one substance abuse problem. There is so much damage and tragedy perpetrated by this disease and still we practically condone it. As a former drug and alcohol treatment provider and DUI evaluator, the standard was that anyone who acquired two DUI's was considered to be alcoholic. The reasoning was that if you've been caught twice, there's no telling how many other times you drove and didn't get caught. The stigma,expense,threat of loss of job or reputation etc., etc., is enough to stop most people from continually doing it unless they are alcoholic. I know, I know, anyone can get one DUI. However there are several employers that can terminate you even if you are driving and pulled over and have been found to be drinking although you are under the legal limit on a breathalyzer test. Scream all you want, that is the situation.
attempted murder, not dui
I think that not only should he have lost his job, he should have been charged with attempted murder, along with everyone that gets a dui. There is no excuse for getting behind the wheel drunk. Just because he's lucky that he didn't kill anyone this time doesn't mean that he almost didn't. And people who do kill people while they're drunk should be charged with premeditated murder. If they went to the bar planning on getting drunk and driving themself home, that's the same as planning on killing someone. The law is too soft on people who could care less about the human life.
Good idea Coldonions .. (Not!)
Oh, now advocate putting people in prison for decades for first DUI. Like our prisons are not already overcrowded. Alcoholism is a disease, as treatable as Diabetes. It's the one disease that tells the person who has it that they do not have a disease. I would suggest you become a little more informed before calling for Felony Assult type charges...