who have promoted illegal immigration for over fifty years as a favor to corporate un-America & agri corruption. Cheap labor in return for contributions while putting Americans who used to do those jobs for a living wage, out of work.

All the problems campaign finance is bringing through illegal immigration are becomimg more evident everyday yet no one is held accountable. The cost of health/care insurance & a $9 trillion debt just to mention a couple. It's about time somebody steps up & tells our employees they're failing & we can't afford their ignorant mistakes & profitting while We pay for everything & America's youth die for their country. No wonder we have all these meth freaks, can't afford college unless you go through the University of Iraq's school of death or loss of limb. These kids are paying into Social Security, Medicare, & Medicaid & they'll never see a dime of it. Get through high school & you can make $7 an hour, some damn good reason to graduate. College grads are flipping hamburgers all over the country.

Your representatives are small change in corporate un-America's & agri corruption's pocket. We pay them $170K a year, provide health care, & retirement we lose more of everyday due in large part to illegal immigration.

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We can do something about it, hold these people accountable, & get back on track or keep paying 90% of the taxes while they get rich. The media prints stories, one after another of political corruption, Coles, Noble, U of I, Alaska politicians, Cunningham, war, & illegal immigration but we don't solve any problems. We're beating a dead horse. Band aid fixes don't work.

Misrepresentatives promote illegal immigration which is costing US trillions yet these same clowns don't do anything about Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid which are all going to come back to haunt US. How many years can a problem exist before you actually do something about it? They would kill all the Salmon in favor of farming when fishing makes US millions & agri corruption is costing US billions through subsidies. Fertilizer runoff will kill US after agri corruption counts their money. Salmon don't contribute to the campaigns of crooks! Neither do US soldiers most of who are too young to realize they're being sacrificed so these crooks can make $!

Those of US who know how corrupt polticians are need to protect these kids willing to fight for their country, we need to tell them they're being conned & sacrificing their lives in wars like Bush's ego trip is ignorant at best. We may need these brave men & women when a real threat comes up. Cry wolf too many times & these people are going to say, yea, right! Or there won't be any left, not with two hands & legs. Politicians go on about those kids being our future, no child left behind, then cut funding for education & offer them $ for college if they live through a war we never should have gotten into. The rest of US allow it then whine about the price of beer & gas.

The crooks created this war which has cost us trillions & in the end all we'll have is Bush claiming success because the violence is down. Being millionaires it's good to know they'll all have their retirement while Soccial Security runs out!

The only reason there is less violence in Iraq is because that idiot in Iraq who would like to be an ayatollah is controlling it so as to get US out so he can take over. Bush let the war in Afghanistan go when that was the right place to be & went to Iraq costing US a fortune to get some idiot who was never a threat. Couldn't get bin Laden so he settled for Saddam who couldn't fire a scud across the nearest border with any hope of hitting an intended target & we were afraid he had WMD?

We've spent all this money & let all these US soldiers die so this idiot ayatollah can take over after we draw down. To top it off we'll be looking at nukes from Pakistan, not Iraq because Bush forgot about the hard target, bin Laden & went after Saddam who we had doing as we wanted. He was a neutered puppy we could have used to control Iraq instead of wasting all the lives, time, & money. Pakistan was a better choice for terrorist to take over anyway because they had the WMD we claimed Saddam had. We also spent billions in Pakistan which was all lost.

When it all falls apart a couple years Bush will be blaming the Democrats should they win the White House. The best thing the Democrats could do is lose the election or they'll take the blame. You can bet the republicans are already writting the script.

Our government is failing! Every governmnet agency is failing & costing US a fortune while running America into the dirt! If the American people don't wise up we're going to be in a world of hurt! May as well quit begging for your own tax $ to educate your kids, they'll be needed in the military. They can be re-educated to do jobs that only require one leg or arm should they come home alive. If they speak Spanish they can supervise.

That's alright though because we'll have plenty of illegal immigrants to do the jobs Americans won't or can't do because they don't have enough hands or feet. There's your threat, it's called representation.

Liberals especially the big city,rich Hollywood types are destroying this country.Liberalism is a philosphy for
losers. Rarely does anything good come out of liberalism.
Ted Kennedy,Nancy Peolsi,Bill/Hillary Clinton,Dianne Feinstein,Charles Schumer etc wouldn't stand a chance if
Idaho ran the nation (or at least the old Idaho I knew)

Pursuitless Trivia for 1000, Alex.

Oh my gosh!? Another christmas present I wasn't aware of; a new liberal to converse with.

Your a perfect example of what I'm talking about in my inital post, but at the same time your right about mis-information. The trouble is that the majority of the mis-information is coming from democrats and liberals like you. Republicans are not "pure as the driven snow" either, but I'm begining to believe that liberals because of their self-centered, narrow-minded idealogy, fail to have the capacity to understand the basic concepts such as truth, justice, and the American way (a little superman humor there). In fact, I believe "analysis to paralysis" best describes most liberals that I've met with your mind set. It doesn't matter what the facts are, it's the seriousness of the charges that matter.

So now let's look at the list of non-sense you've come up with:

Baseless Accusation #1: 1. Letter to Limbaugh...oh you mean the kerfluffle when Rush, the draft dodging drug addict besmirched the honor of our brave troops? THAT letter? Don't make me laugh.

My answer: I think it would be best if Rush spoke for himself on this issue, because he never call our Soldiers Phony he was talking about an individual named Jessie Mcbeth who protrayed himself as a soldier when he wasn't, and your lying about it just like harry reid and the drive by media did:

"Wednesday, September 26, 2007: Rush takes a call from an Army soldier who laments, [W]hat's funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media," to which Rush adds: "The phony soldiers." The caller repeats the phrase and continues with his point. After respectfully letting him finish, Rush explains for those in the audience the phenomenon of "phony soldiers" like Jesse MacBeth, a darling of the anti-war left exposed as a total fraud who never served and never was in iraq."

baseless accusation #2: 2. Nancy Pelosi attempts diplomacy when our President wouldn't? Oh dear, I feel the vapors comin' on.

My answer: As a side note, did she pay for her trip to the middle east or did the American People? Just a thought.

Nancy Pelosi went to the middle east as if it was her responsibility to speak for the American People as their representative. That's how she portaryed her trip as a diplomatic missison. There's only one person who speaks for the American People and that's the President of the United States regardless of what you think of the individual who occupies that office. She usurped the authority of the President of the United States; authority not granted to her by the constitution or any law. If you can't understand that, then you really don't understand the constitution or our form of government; just like Nancy Pelosi.

3.The Excuse for Christians to feel persecuted and victimized? LOL! You've got your god on my money, in my pledge of allegiance, and you'd like to make god-worship a branch of the governemnt, and YOU'RE offended? Give me a break. Oh, and happy holidays, while I'm at it.

My answer: Why thank you Coultergist! Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to you as well.

Like it or not, and it seems you don't, this is a Christian nation, built on christian values, and founded on basic christian principals found in the Bible. The best part is, these principals have been proven to work and the success of the United States form of Government and the documents that formed our government is the best evidence that they do. The founding fathers had a deep respect for God and the Bible, and proved it in their writings and in what they wrote in the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights. To deny that is to deny the history of our country and the men who offered their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor for the success of the United States.

The fact that we honor God and our founding fathers on our money, and in our pledge of alligence is a demonstration of honor and respect for their sacrfice and vision.

Viper, were you in favor of trying Reagan for treason when he traded arms for hostages, behind the back of a sitting president? Probably not, huh?

Can we try Rove and Chenny for treason? Outing a CIA agent is treason too, but you probably wouldn't like that one either.

Since you think you are such a constitutional scholar, why don't you re-read Article I, Section 8- the "Necessary and Proper Clause." Congress has many implied powers that the President does not. Very wisely, the Framers knew that too much power in the Executive's hands would be dangerous thing.

4. I happily pay my taxes, am glad of my ability to contribute to our nation, and rest assured that some of that money goes to people in need, just like Jesus instructs. That some of it goes to kill innocent people in Iraq as well as to fatten the portfolios of the already rich distresses me, but we liberals are working on booting the criminals out of power.

My answer: You have the opportunity to be as successful as you want to be in this country. However, liberals seem to believe that the tax money that goes into the federal treasury is their money to use as they seem fit, and its not. Taxes are pentalites on success, and I for one do not enjoy having my hard earned dollars taken from me in the form of taxes to pay for some brain-dead, liberal, feel good programs, and their theroies of wealth re-distribution thru taxing authority extortion. For example, the "CHIPS" program that's currently making it's way thru congress is one such program. It's not the responsibility of the federal government to take care of the children of our country, it's the responsibility of the childrens parents. The level of care is also the responsibility of the parents, not some faceless, braindead "professional" sitting in a cubical in Washington D.C. Neither the state or federal governments have any business tell me how to take care of my family. I can do so just fine without their help and guidance, and so can every other American.

I'm sure that you would call the profits of the oil companies over the last few years excessive. The oil companies have a built in profit margin of 8.5 to 12 cents per gallon that they add to the price per gallon of the various forms of fuel,i.e. gas, diesel, fuel oil, kerosene, etc.

But people like you fail to ask the most important question, how much does the state and federal governments add to the price per gallon of fuel in the form of taxes? Any ideas? I didn't think so. The average is 49.5 cents per gallon. If the oil companies, in your opinion, have excessive profits at 8.5 and 12 cents per gallon, what kind of money is going to the federal and state governments at an average of 49.5 cents per gallon. I don't know the exact number of dollars, but it's a number much larger than all the profits of the oil companies combined.

Here's the answer as to the additional tax per gallon of fuel by state and federal governments:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html

5. Socialsm. The desire to care for all peoples in a nation. Yes, I can see why that upsets you. What would Jesus do? You think the Soviet Union fell because of Socialism? Now that's funny! Don't you remember that Reagan single handedly brought an end to the Cold War, thus assuring the fall of Russia? Actually, after years of soviet military build-up at the expense of meeting the basic needs of her people, the Soviet Union collapsed. Now where might we see a replay of that? How many trillions of dollars in debt are we? How many people are losing their homes? How much infrastructure has been neglected?

My answer: The answer to your last two questions is none. If you want to live in a country that subscribes to the philosphy of Socialism, then be my guest and move there, but don't you ever attempt to try and tell me about caring for people or use the new brain-dead liberal angle of "what would Jesus do". Your view, is to force the spending of my tax dollars from the U.S. Treasury to support programs that I may or may not want to support.

If I want to support a program that helps people, I will give it from my own resources so I know where my money is going. I personally support the Make a wish foundation, the Ronald McDonald house, and the USO, however, I don't see any reason for 1.5 billion dollars of my tax money to go to Africa to fight aids. Africa is a big continent made up of many smaller countries, so which countries on the african continent are getting my money? Based on the history of these countries and their use of U.S. aid, the answer is not the people that it was intended for. It's going into the accounts of private individuals and building their personal wealth, but that doesn't matter to liberals because we're suppose to "feel their pain", or some such non-sense.

Coltergist said: Try blaming the current administration for the shape we're in. I'm sure an open minded individual such as yourself won't find it difficult to make that case. I wait with breathless anticipation for your response.

My answer: Actually, this country is in good shape. The economy is very strong, the stock market is reaching record levels, unemployment is at the lowest levels in history, personal wealth is increasing, so what are you talking about?

I blame the current administration for a lot of things, such as the current level of spending, earmarks on appropiation bills, the lack of border security on the southern border, the lack of real tax reform, the lack of determination to make the current tax cut permanent, but on issues that matter, this administration has been rock solid and that's what liberals can't stand. I would have fought the war on terror differently, but I'm not the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, President Bush is and I support his decision to go to war.

The biggest problem I see is brain-dead, narrow-minded, over-educated liberals who are so "full of themselves" that they fail to have a grasp of any form of reality or common sense about the issues and threats facing our country. Liberals have been on the wrong side of many issues and I get sick of their arrogance and continual lying about facts and tactics of personal destruction to avoid taking responsibilty for their words, actions, and failures.

I almost thought it was a satire....almost.

Little red puppy dog! It's nice to see that you've come out to play! I'm surprised that you thought enough of me to save what I've posted. I'm sorry that I didn't think of doing something like that because dispite the "colorful" exchanges we've had, I do respect your opinion. That may come as a surprise to you, but I'm just being honest. No spin, just fact.

Merry Christmas and the best of New Years!

Vomit is hard to remove from a hard drive.

He's done more damage in less time than any one person should be allowed. No doubt he made some history, we can be ashamed of.

That clown will dress the Iraq mess up as a success & blame the dems when it all comes back around. The way politics work in America I'll bet the republicans have already written the script. Iraq a hugh success until the dems took office. I hope he kept his flight suit.

of thinking we don't have other sources besides Rush's conveniently edited version. You'd think someone like Rush who makes a living talking would know precisely what he was saying, and there'd be no doubt what he meant. We all know what Rush meant. If you're a soldier who doesn't get all gung ho behind Bush, you're a phony soldier. Unlike a war-hardened veteran, like, say, George W. Bush. Or Dick Cheney. Or Rush. Or O'Reilly. Or Savage.

I see what you mean about Viper. The same old rehashed Limbaugh and O'Reilly and Weiner with a heapin'spoonful of Jeff Gannon/Jimmy Guckert thrown in. Viper is simply parroting the imflammatory rhetoric they've been spewing for years.

Why do they hate America so?

Nice try little red puppy dog, but it won't work. I haven't ducked anything. I told you that I was willing to debate you on issues on a level playing field before you attempted to divert the issue with your phony "lets talk about Rush" non-sense and you never answered my challenge. I said that I was willing to talk about two issues that I disagree with the President on, if you could talk about one that you agree with the President on. So far, you've been the one "ducking" my challenge because I made the first offer some time back just before you used the "ignore" button on the previous message board. Your actions are proving my point that liberals can't stand up to facts on issues.

As far as using news articles from Media Matters as a source of relevent facts to prove that Rush Limbaugh is an idiot, your going to have to do a lot better than that. Move-On.org, Media Matters, the democratic underground, and Air America are all ultra-liberal, anti-american websitesand radio stations supported by Billionaire George Soros who is no friend of this country even though the American concepts of the free market and limitless opportunity helped to create his wealth.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hillary Clinton just recently mention in one of her campaign stops that she was one of the other supporters that helped build the Media Matters website? Since Hillary Clinton can't answer a stright question with a stright answer and she's been proven to be a known lier, I guess you can't trust anything she says.

If your going to use a website built by a known lier and someone who hates this country to prove your points, then I've already won this debate before we get started.

Later daze

Whoooopi!

What's book larnin' gotta do with nothin'?