Tax alcohol to pay for prisons, health insurance, police, courts, county jails

When the drunk drivers are so thick they hit police hauling drunk drivers to jail it's time to face reality.

Statesman, 10-23-07 Deputy feels 'very lucky' after crash.
With all the DUIs, accidents, articles on overcrowding of jails & prisons, health care issues, detox center, & now a cop gets hit while taking a DUI arrest to jail I would think government is going to make an evaluation.

Is the money generated by alcohol worth all the problems it's causing? Should we pay & provide benefits to state employees to sell alcohol? Which of our representatives accepted $ from alcohol companies or businesses which sell allcohol?

Has government taken over after pushing the mob out? I guess if there's a profit we can justify 17,600 deaths a year. Just how much profit is there. Add all the expense from the list above & don't forget the cost of funerals by the families of innocent victims.

If I were a lawyer I would have a think a class action law suit might have merit. Even though alcohol is legal, alcoholism is a disease. One drink & judgement becomes suspect yet we allow people to drive up to .08. How does someone know when they are at .08? Can you see it in the mirror? Does the bartender who served you the fifth 16 ounce beer know? You can be sure most bars don't stop serving at four beers & don't ask if someone is driving after four or five. What will four or five 16 ounce beers get you?
.08, .1, .13, or how does someone really know? Guess?

It's different for everyone so when four people go to a bar after work & have four beers. Who is .08? Who gets breast cancer? Who does the drunk driver hit & kill? Some 16 year old kid on his way home from a part time job or football?

Who pays for all the above? Do our representatives who accept the campaign contributions?
Taxpayers, homeowners, education which lacks funding needed for corrections, or just who pays? The alcohol cmpanies or the bars? I don't think so!

Is it even fair to the people who get the DUI or suffer through a lifetime of the disease? How much does it cost in lost production at work? The questions are endless & all our AG does is have a commerical on the radio about not selling to minors.

If all the people who are effected by alcohol signed on to a petition or contacted a lwayer could we do something about the problems alcohol is causing?
I think we have t consider it.

Hmmm...seems self-defeating?

To be successful, everyone has to buy a lot of alcohol.

Before long, it is very possible they too will be in jail or prison.

The down side other than that is that Payette County will run over here and make our lives a nightmare.

Overall a great idea. I hope it hits Butch's desk!

How about Lobotomies for Republicans

thats a great idea, and its not even cruel or unusual

We put more people in jail

We put more people in jail than any other country in the world we have more people in jails than another other country, the cost to maintain prisoners is observantly high they have far to many luxuries for a prison Tax alcohol? That wont work how about cut spending on prisoners give people a real reason not to go to prison and save money there. Tax's wont stop people from drinking ask any alcoholic in a drug rehab, tax's haven't stopped people from smoking and hasn't made any real money for the government either, we can't depend on tax to cover costs. I got a way to save a few million really quick, lets give our solider's a few days off in iraq no matter where they are what there doing bring them home we have a few billion if they return take those billions and take care of our country.

Bad Idea

Taxing alcohol even more than it is being taxed now will only encourage bootlegging and other black-market options. Remember prohibition? That worked so well to only create criminals. I agree there is way to much drunk driving and there is a distinct problem. But before you tax alcohol, I ask, as one comedian did, why do bars have parking lots? I think a better option would be to require people to purchase travel passes for cab companies and part of those proceeds going into public projects. It increases jobs and helps to eliminate the problem.

Why not just let them drink until the cops come

and haul them off straight to the drunk tank in the first place

Too many taxes

Coming from someone that drinks this would be just an increase in money that I would have to pay for my alcohol. Then all the restaurants and bars will up their prices too. Also I've been a bartender and most of us really don't care how much we sell to an individual. It's the person that is drinking to decide whether to drive under the influence or not; not the bartender or server. It's ridiculous that servers and bartenders can be held partially responsible for someone else's wrong doing.

Eveidently you were a poor bartender at best.

If you think it isn't a bartender's responsibility to shut someone off when they're obviously over the limit, you should be shut off as a bartender! If most of you really don't care, I would have to suggest our representatives go one step futher than taxing, track sales! Make people like you responsible & we might not be paying a fortune for corrections & looking for $ to run a detox center people who don't drink, will soon be paying for. You just made it public knowledge, I bet you won't accept that either.

When a candyass bartender serves someone until they say something out of line or get out of hand & the bartender calls the law? That is when & what the police need to investigate. Every DUI should have an investigation as to where the driver was, how much they drank, & who served them. Find out just how much the bartender making the $ served that person. You make your money, accept the responsibilty that goes with it. Bartenders like you have been killing people for years & it's time you're procecuted. Get a tatoo on your back so your bunk buddy has something to read.

MS2007 had a hell of lot more on the ball than the bartender. Only one problem, they have parking lots to get people in the bar so unprofessional, loser bartenders can overserve.

And that's whay DRAM shop claims

against your bar would be very successful.

because the bartenders profit by getting them soused!

think about it we should not tax those drinking ;but instead tax the bartenders, they are pushing a drug
albeit a legal drug , nervertheless a lethal drug.

He wouldn't fly

in Payette County.

Doobies for everyone.

They'd all just stay home and watch Mystery Science Theater.

Problem solved.

Is that still on cable?

I normally only see cable at the repair shop. I have real airwaves and a turbocharged antenna.

Taxing alcohol

Usually alcohol consumption goes up during a recession, and we are in a recession. However, it never works to attempt to fund something with an expectation of tax money. Very possibly if you tax alcohol that high, people will go out of state to purchase their alcohol, and bars could end up loosing their revenues. You know if the state were to get out of the alcohol business, and allow privately owned liquor stores, which means price competition, they probably would see an increase in tax revenues. I sure buy a lot less alcohol, (and I don't really go to bars) because it's such a pain in the butt to go to one of the state owned stores. I'm more likely to buy a bottle of something in the grocery store, especially if it's on sale.

As for you Bob, it is a good thing that not all bartenders are as irresponsible as you. Do you really think someone that is already inebriated is capable of taking "personal responsibility?"

Why are we in a recession?

Mismanagement? Government is failing & drunk people would rather cry in their beer about the price of their beer than solve a problem. I'm not talking about prohibition & I did mention getting the state out of the liquor stores.

The mob was making $ so government took over?
Tax it the same in Oregon as Idaho, Washington, & every state so driving across state lines doesn't make any difference. I'm not trying to beat the guy up who likes a beer. People would spend their $ on alcohol no matter the price just like gas.

Seriously, would taxing or taking the contributions alcohol companies make to your elected officials raise the price of a beer. Bars sell a pint with some funny name for $5, how can that be? Look at www.followthemoney.org www.opensecrets.org & see who is giving how $ to which politicians. Look at www.ewg.org & you can see who gets all the farm subsidies. There is all kinds of $ being handed over in contributions & We the People are paying the taxes evaded in return.

I don't know why corporate unAmerica contributes so much when all these people fight so hard to pay all the taxes. Why don't all you people give government you bank acount numbers in exchange for beer. You'd save money the way it sounds.

Look at all the problems alcohol is causing. You have to realize that paying for police, prisons, courts, jails, & all that goes with the problems alcohol creates is costing you $ along with the $ you spend on alcohol. Are you sure you're getting that great a deal on the beer you drink? Is the price you pay the final number or is $ coming out of other taxes like property taxes which could be going to schools instead of prisons & a detox center? The same Detox center representatives who accept contributions from alcohol companies can't find $ to operate? If you aren't paying yet you will be, look at the price compared to a few years ago & a few years from now. You're going to pay one way or another, you might not think you're paying but you are. You pay for everything more than once in many cases & have no idea. I guess you'd rather pay & not know.

Starting to understand why those corporations pay CEOs, boardmembers, & lobbyist millions & contribute to campaigns. Your misrepresentaives are small change in corporate unAmerica's pocket but they're still millionaires & you pay for it all. You could be a shareholder in America, vall the shots, & not worry about the price you pay for beer or you could keep whinning about the price, & pay while in denial.
www.nextrevolution.net. It's not that tough to figure out. The American people are being taken & apparently enjoying it over a beer they have no idea how much they paid for.

Bush says we are in a dip not a recession

so what elses is new the Republicans can't face reality

brt929

I think I see a small flaw in your , "they will go out of state to buy alcohol" . How are you going to get out of state ?
Think about it .
You would have to buy a pickup load to break even with the price of gas .
Cheers !

Reddog

They went to Nyssa...

to drink beer outside a nudie bar with no booze...

Check the police blotters for that time.

You may be right

However, wouldn't that depend on how much the state decides to tax? I'm not a beer drinker, so I don't know about those prices, but wine certainly seems to be higher here than other places.

well if they let us have stills

we could manufacture alcohol for the tank

just pour the liquor into the tank

thats really the best solution

Octane is inferior to regular gasoline, impacts food supply

GET A BICYCLE.

Wine is fine!

It's all the high-priced CHEESEBALLS I think.

Par for the course and I don't golf.

I'll Agree IF...

...they also tax diapers, strollers and baby food to help cover the costs of EVERYTHING. I think that a 5000% rate would be a start. It wouldn't get close to covering it but it's a start.

Yes because

so many people get killed by people ingesting diapers, stroller and baby food.

Strained peas are the devil's masterpiece >:-0 Bwahaha

they already tax everything more than oncce

your wages are taxed your purchases are taxed, everything is taxed

Be happy...

your patience is only taxed by posters, not gub'mint, guv'nor.

Five THOUSAND, you say?

my god, they've invented a new political party, the like of which we may never recover.

Is it the Garbage Wing Party?

Thats what they all really amount to

At least the ball is rolling

Is taxing alcohol the answer to more money for roads & prisons? Maybe not but taxes are going to pay for them & since the prisons & roads are loaded with drunk drivers I would find a way to tax the people making money from the sale of booze instead of people who don't.

Bring ideas & who knows, maybe we'll have some money left to live & support the economy, after taxes eat up 50% or more of gross income.

I don't know about the crap wrappers, people would just quit feeding the kids.

why not just give all the prisoners Lobotomies

then release them to work on road crews

if children had to be dry cleaned

no one would ever pick up their dry cleaning and if people were really intelligent
they wouldn't bother top take them home from the hospital in the first place

Less tax

Lower the taxes rather than increase them. If someone does a DWI then revoke their license, put a GPS on them (that also checks blood alcohol levels?), order them into treatment (at their expense), then picking up garbage on the side of the road during their non-work times. That's all far less expensive then jail time or further accidents.

Ghost

I think we should put them in those old fashioned "stocks" and whip them .
Well , some of them .
Some of them might like it so we would need to screen those out .
I realize that a lot of people would find this treatment harsh and want nothing to do with it . This is where good folks like me come in ------ I will whip them ------ as a cost saving measure I have my own whip .
What are the odds ?

Reddog

Once again it's time for the be all, end all statement, THE...

STATEMENT...

Some places in Central America they just execute you.

There. Our sacred male credo has been upheld.

true

we feel so secure thinking that executions only happen in those other countries that have those intolerant governments but guess what?
It can happen here someday, don't feel too secure, why do you suppose the Bush administration wiretaps so many citizens who never broke the law in the first place?
I think they are paranoid

I have a question

Why are there so many bars in that little space in downtown Boise? There's got to be at least ten within two city blocks (I've counted them). Maybe that has something to do with the amount of DUI's? Perhaps we should unite and get half the bars to close, so the drunkards either walk everywhere or take cabs.....oh yea and maybe get rid of the public parking garages. Just my 5 cents here (adjusted for inflation! :) )

cause

they are making a profit where they are at.

Try PAYETTE!

Jacob's Well, V-Twin, Joe's Club, TKO/Roadrunner burned down, Sands' Bar changed owners and the name, one just opened near by, Sundance Saloon, El California (sic--dance club)

Still more bars than open churches (two buildings formerly used as places of worship are a museum and some kind of home or center)...

you have a valid point

but then they say prohibition failed but they never really tried it did they?

Where were YOU?

The night Chicago died?

I was not in Chicago

I was probly in Idaho

Reader's View, Statesman 2-8-08 Prisons

Dianne Hunt wrote an interesting editorial. I like the part about the $$$, who gave, who received, & who is promoting the business of prison. There was also an interesting editorial by Bob {SR} & Lori Heindel. Death penalty, in response to an editorial by Val Rivers. Maybe Gov Otter who has been taking money, {$30K} from Corrections Corporation of America & now promting prisons should take school kids on a prison tour once a month?

Funny how much $ contibutors can come up with when they know they will get it back several times over. So what if other wise regular people with drug & alcohol addiction go to jail at our expense, {$55 a day.} Just the ones who were caught, the rest are productive members of society?

This is why I suggested taxing alcohol in the first place, pay for prisons. It's a little like the debate on fuel prices. Some people who have made fortunes on fuel suggest that raising fuel prices is the answer to our petroleum addiction. The same could be true in other areas of our lives. Alcohol, if it cost more people would either go broke drinking or drink less while more of the money goes to prisons. Keep more people out of prison by lighter sentences as Dianne Hunt suggest, like other states do.

Government promotes drinking & makes money on it in taxes so why would would we as the government of the people lock so many up for so long for doing their part in supporting the economy as government suggest we should while we profit? A catch 22? Spend your $ on booze, support the economy, generate taxes, get arrested, pay fines, & we'll pay to jail you for years at $55 a day & take you out of productive society & lose the $ you pay in taxes to compound the problem. Obviously our representatives have put a lot of though into this, or just taken the $ to the bank, the golf course, or the governor's office.

You have to realize it's just a small percentage who get caught on any given day. Like the casino it will eventually get most but on each day the police may arrest 10%, 20% or what ever percentage of people driving over the .08 limit. As Connemara mentioned in I have a question, Why are there so many bars in that little space? If that doesn't suggest that far more than the handful being arrested for DUI everyday & night isn't a true reflection of how many are actually driving over the limit, I don't know what would be.

Tax the people who are making the money. The same people who contribute to our representatives, pay lobbyist, & buy million $ commercials, then get tax cuts & incentives which individual taxpayers absorb. Somebody has to pay taxes they evade through campaign contributions & I would have to believe that is why corporations which used to pay 50% of income taxes now pay 10% & individuals pay the rest.

Look at the numbers, they can afford TV commercials, lobbyists, & campaign contributions, they get tax cuts/incentives, & still make billions of $ while we can't afford prisons so schools & health crae do without?. Individuals, some who don't drink pay representatives, their health care, retirement which we lose more of everyday, prisons, police, insurance, courts, high property teaxes, not to mention funerals, 17,600 a year. These same representatives promote illegal immigration, have for year & have destroyed our helth care system as a favor in return for campaign contributions.

There are a few editorials in today's paper, everyday, which lead me to believe people are not satisfied with our government's performance. BSali sent out his little ballot suggeting 11% of Americans approve of Congress, & he's one of them. Other figures suggest 8% & 14%. Bush has a 25% approval rating & America is in a frency over who to vote into the White House, candidates all of who are included in the poor approval percentages through their representation which they are NOT doing while on the campaign trail. They are collecting millions of $ which I have also suggested is ours because they work for US & they are on our time card as they collect this money which they will give away in our taxes in cuts & incentives mulitple times over when elected.

Tax cuts we will absorb! Voting in a president, one of the clowns responsible for the mess we're in {RECESSION & WAR with a $9 TRILLION DEBT}after giving the same clowns an approval of 14% or less isn't the brightest move we could make.

I doubt any of the corporations buying our representation through campaign finance would hire a CEO based on the same performance, except Micron.

Your right

thats why we get to throw the bums out every so often and it is fun

What do you have against Micron anyhow?

What has Micron done to you?

why pay for prisons when we can lobotomize inmates instead?

and then if it gets that bad those pathetic surgically created retards can pull us around in carts instead of us having to buy gasoline; sort of like the return of slavery, that was a prosperous time wasn't it?

The old computers aren't all that hot either.

I tend to gut them for parts. I had an eMachines eTower at 500 MHz or so that actually had a decent enough bus and cache to handle You Tube really well!

At least your recycling

hear Hear for your recycling efforts, yuo must be desperate to stay online

No.

Not using any.

okay and let's tax marijuana while we are at it

Might as well tax weed too