Renewable groups pull out of conservative lobby group

The American Wind Energy Association and the Solar Energy Industries Association dropped out of the American Legislative Exchange Council, because of what they say are its efforts to wipe out state level clean energy programs.

The American Legislative Exchange Council has become a clearing house for conservative and so-called free market legislation. It brings together businesses and about 2,000 state lawmakers from around he nation, who then introduce the legislation.

The renewable business groups though that they might benefit by joining the groups panned by liberal and environmental groups. They thought that since ALEC is committed to the free market they might have a fair shot, even though both industries, like the nuclear industry depend for the time being on subsidies.

In October ALEC adopted the Electricity Freedom Act, model legislation to repeal state’s renewable portfolio standards. These standards require regulated electric utilities to get a percent of their power from renewables.

That made the wind and solar groups bolt.

You won’t see this in Idaho because our legislature never passed these standards. Even without it Idaho has developed as much renewable energy as many of its neighbors with renewable portfolio standards.

What makes this interesting is that these standards have allowed the utilities in other states, which have monopoly over energy markets in their area, to get the renewable energy credits worth millions of dollars when they get the power. Idaho utilities didn’t get them at all until the Idaho Public Utilities Commission gave the utilities half of th credits from all wind and solar projects over 100 kilowatts last year.

The American Wind Energy Association and the Solar Energy Industries Association, which represent businesses that actually have to compete in the free market, unlike regulated utilities, decided they would take their subsidies and leave. The Electric Freedom Act gave freedom to the monopolies whose rates of return are set by government regulators.

This gets us back to the issue of the free market. Subsidies come from political decisions that place value in one technology over another. This picking of winners is considered an inefficient way to get the best technology but sometimes is necessary.

The same is true of what economists call rent-seeking. When government hands out privileges to businesses, their owners shift their resources from providing goods and services to playing politics.

Economists say rent-seeking is socially wasteful. But it sure is fun to watch.

"Subsidies come from

"Subsidies come from political decisions place value in one technology over another."

and yet, you would have the Obama administration and it's kool-aid drinkers think it is the best thing since Swiss cheese. Ask the GM Shareholders how they feel about subsidies. OR, did you want to pick and choose which industries with regards to subsides we should talk about :) A subside is a subside and the government should let rise and fall which industries in the PRIVATE SECTOR make it OR not. But by no means should an industry be artificially propped up. Think Volt think solyndra e.t.c.

So Redneck...

Would you close every nuclear reactor in the nation? Without the federal government subsidizing liability, there would be no nuclear power. Without the current loan guarantee programs new reactors would not be under construction.

Got a list of those

New reactors Rocky? Or are you too busy sucking on your Obamunist CoolAde?

Old school

I hear what you are saying... but consider where the United States would be if the government had not subsidized the railroads when starting out. The US system of interstate highways is a subsidy... there are lots of them that have truly advanced our society in social, economic, medical, and defense security.

Subsidies

So we can assume you also support ending the trillions of $$ of US Naval subsidies for the oil industry? Without the US Navy, Iran would close the Strait of Hormuz and oil from the Middle East would stop flowing. Oil prices would skyrocket on the world market!

Like you say, just let those oil prices rise or fall on the free market! Both Iran and Ayn Rand would be thrilled.

It's funny. We don't need the US Navy to protect the free flow of Sunlight and Wind.

GM is still here, the alternative was ghastly. NEXT!

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FO....Do you use any

shortwave radio?

I know that 'top band' is suppose to be for local use. I am thinking about buying a 'shortwave' radio.

Right now I buy boomboxes, none with SW yet.

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

The here and now

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Clear the channel.

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

phone or code?

160 meters, 80 meters, 40 meters, 20 meters, 12 meters, 10 meters, 50 meters....which band do you operate on. How long you been a ham operator>>>?

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