Citing law's 'evil genius,' Fulcher emerges as key opponent of Otter's Idaho-run health exchange

Sen. Russ Fulcher doesn't go as far as Sen. Sherlyl Nuxoll's likening the law to the Holocaust, but he makes a similar argument: That the "evil genius" of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is luring the private insurance industry's support.

Fulcher, R-Meridian, as Senate Majority Caucus Chairman, is the spokesman for the Republican caucus and No. 4 Senate leader. His arguments against Gov. Butch Otter's plan to have the state run its own exchange rather than defer to the feds were written at the request of the National Federation of Independent Business. (NOTE: I first saw the Fulcher essay on Idaho Chooses Life's site and my original post erroneously suggested that's where the piece first appeared. Sen. Dean Cameron, R-Rupert, wrote the pro-exchange view for NFIB.)

Writes Fulcher: "Part of the evil genius of PPACA is that it depends on the private insurance industry to put the exchange mechanism in place. Ironically the organizations pushing hardest to implement state-based exchanges (the insurance carriers) have the most to lose...."

Fulcher's bottom line: "If you believe in the principles of socialism and turning over an INCREMENTAL 1/6 of the nation-wide GDP to the federal government (via healthcare), then you will want to support the state-based exchange.

"If you believe in the free market, capitalism, personal responsibility and liberty, you will NOT want to cooperate with a state-based exchange."

Fulcher outlines four major arguments: that a state exchange is a form of voluntary compliance with negative legal implications; that the state will be in charge of enforcement; that the private insurance industry will be damaged; and that it is irresponsible to take on a responsibility with unknown costs and rules.

Fulcher notes that 25 states have decided not to create a state-run exchange and refusing to do so may help the law fail.

"With expertise and fiscal resources scarce, and with other complications caused by an unpopular nationwide mandate for citizens to purchase insurance (PPACA), the federal government is under immense pressure having to impose federal-based exchanges in so many states," Fulcher writes. "The feds should be granted every opportunity to fail, and hopefully they will."

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Fulcher has his head in the

Fulcher has his head in the sand if he thinks the ACA is going to fail. It may be revised and amended but its here to stay. It is ironic that those opposing federal intervention in Idaho's affairs are now urging federal intervention. Make your mind, guys. You're making yourselves look like fools.

I agree

The ACA is a bad idea, but it has already been confirmed by the Supreme Court and as you stated, it is here to stay. Not sure why he thinks because 25 states didn't set up their own exchange it will fail. They will be forced to the federal exchange. Plus, we don't know the reason those states didn't set up their own exchange.

I'm glad I'm not "represented" by Nuxoll.

Agree; glad I'm not

Agree; glad I'm not represented by that flake. Poor citizens of Idaho, Clearwater and Shoshone counties didn't do their homework before they elected her but then again they were blindsided by the redistricting which resulted in no candidate opposing her except a token independent.

So we are to give in on any

So we are to give in on any law that is unjust and handed down from "on high?" no. Abolitionists didn't give up when returning slaves to their owners was the (federal) law of the land.

What is unjust about medical

What is unjust about medical insurance coverage for all. I don't like paying medical costs for others. Evidently you do. You can pay my share any time.

Hey, Rose! This crap saved my life last summer, remember?

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

Glad it did save your life,

Glad it did save your life, FO, but you reside in Oregon and this is Idaho.

I was still saved at St. Al's in BOISE and...

'you paid' for some part of it and everybody else's care, whether in Idaho, Oregon or Wisconsin.

You can't only decide to keep me alive and your taxes paid the fantastic staff that did and also fed me well and changed out many of my medications, which took a week at their psychiatric hospital...it wasn't a couple days, it was over two weeks. Six days in ICU and South Tower and almost two weeks at the other facility.

This was actually the SECOND time it happened, only this time they MADE me change my meds (I wanted to go home and refused the last time because I was STUPID) and threatened to send me to Blackfoot to do it. I hated that but in the end I wondered why I didn't stay longer the first time. Lithium is bad for people over forty, it jams up kidneys over time like grease is a drain pipe!

If there are any nurses left here, testify! You know this. The money was extremely well spent and not wasted on frivolities.

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

Glad Idaho could accommodate

Glad Idaho could accommodate and be of benefit to extending and improving your life, FO. Your comments keep us on our toes, thinking and laughing.

Just because a good or

Just because a good or service is a "good thing" does not mean the government should force everyone to participate in it. Should there be a law requiring everyone to brush their teeth, because it is good for your teeth? Would you get fined for not brushing your teeth?

The whole problem with these mandates is that they are not explicitly outlined as a power delegated to the federal government. There is no reason this should be a national law. It should be a state issue.

You won't get many dates with bad breath and poor teeth though.

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

In re Nuxoll, she continues

In re Nuxoll, she continues to constantly display her lack of knowledge and comprehension of state matters. Her latest rhetoric edges on displaying a need for mental health counseling.

Isn't that the truth

Hard to beleive she is the best and the brightest Cottonwood has to offer.

Wow

Yet they keep putting these paranoid scared to death wackos back in office again and again. Yuh get what you vote for. The thing is if Otter doesn't do this it will cost the State a lot more money in the long run and give control to the same people this wacko is so afraid of. Stupid is as stupid does. Wonder if he even reads the information provided to him or just what the teaparty crams down his throat. Sad Sad Sad !

Politics

Let the politics begin. Let us not forget that Otter is the one who appointed Fulcher to the senate many years ago. Should be fun to sit back and watch the fireworks.

Ah yes another one

of the Republicans who subscribe to the "just let the uninsured die" while he has life long coverage paid for by us. Pot meet kettle. I am one of those uninsured, although it is available through my husbands work, we couldn't pay it and still pay for all my health care for the first year, due to pre-existing clause, nothing would have been covered for the first year, on top of over 400 bucks a month we would pay out. I currently get my expensive meds from the drug companies. That goes away if I become insured, even if my insurance doesn't cover them. Having severe asthma, it is not like I can go without my meds. Until Fulcher gives up his health care paid for by us...he needs to shut his mouth. Everyone who thinks like him, who is a public servant, who has their health care paid for by the taxpayers, that applies to you too. Waiting for the ACA to kick in, so that pre-existing clause goes away. Praying I don't get anything major until then, not willing to die from being uninsured. I have a four year old, who I want to watch grow up.

Your comments indicates that

Your comments indicates that you haven't read a single bit of what has been proposed as alternatives. May I suggest opening up google and educate yourself on the alternatives.

There are plenty of ways for tax payers to foot the bill for everyone's insurance that do not tax, penalize, and criminalize other citizens just for their choices.

Google is the Dark Leader of the Evil Genius.

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

It's nice to know

that this guy, Fulcher, is so much smarter than the CEO's of the major health care corporations. It's amazing that these men can't figure this out, but Fulcher did!!! He's like the Einstien of the Insurance. He should get a medal or something.

would you then also say that

would you then also say that the CEOs of oil companies are obviously the best people to control and regulate the oil drilling industry since they know so much about their industry?

Would Japanese whalers be the best people to be in charge of regulating the whaling trade since they know so much about it?

Would mining companies be the best people to be in charge of regulating mining, since they know so much about it?

Would Wall Street bankers and investment companies be the best ones to regulate the securities markets because they know so much about it?

Why are all of these examples silly? Because the people doing the regulating would be directly benefiting from the outcome, thus proving a conflict of interest.

So if you believe that insurance companies are evil and that they leech money out of the healthcare system while trying to not pay for as many procedures as possible, then why would you turn around and suddenly praise the insurance companies because "they know what is best"....

Interesting how Fulcher & Nuxoll know more about insurance

than the actual insurance companies. So, what is their plan? Let the Feds run the entire exchange. Wouldn't that make it easier to convert the whole system over to the Feds?

I don't understand this strategy of turning everything over to the Feds....then complain that the government has too much control.

they don't want the Feds to run it

they figure if they hold their breath and turn blue, they won't have to do it at all.

You know what is ironic is

You know what is ironic is Nuxoll's husband, Felix, farms and I am sure the medical coverage they now have via the legislature is a godsend to them as compared to what they did pay privately. What a double speak, double standard. She's a nut case being led by the tea party fraction in SW Idaho.

The right wing faction of the GOP keeps betting all or nothing

and they keep losing.

Health Reform - Step away from the table and don't participate in drafting in hopes that it will fail with no GOP support - LOSE

Supreme Court - We won't do anything to prepare for the changes in the law because we're sure to win our court case - LOSE

2012 Election - When we win the presidency and majority of congress, we can repeal the entire law - LOSE

Here's an idea...instead of opposing everything and losing, maybe they could start participating in the process and make sure the implementation benefits Idaho as much as possible and we keep control wherever possible? Instead of evil genius conspiracy theories and ridiculous holocaust comparison, how about governing?

do you expect a Federally

do you expect a Federally controlled (they make all the rules) and state administered (they are the people that implement the rules) to be any better than a Federally controlled AND Federally administered exchange?

No. Either way, all the rules are still made by the Federal end of the deal. The State just gets to choose the window dressing and take the blame for the horrible mess they would have to administer.

AND the estimated cost of just administering the exchange has DOUBLED in just the last few months. That doesn't cover any insurance, that is just the red tape costs of thing.

Jason, you need to do some

Jason, you need to do some factual research instead of being so gullible. State administered is the cheapest and most practical for Idaho citizens.

and you base this on what

and you base this on what white papers published where? Or do you just say what someone else tells you?

Why does the US military not make its own weapons, and instead farm that out to contractors?

Why do government agencies buy third party software, third party operating systems, instead of writing all the code themself?

Because the private sector is more efficient at doing that job than the government.

Why should we now believe that suddenly the government will be more efficient in this one area, when it isn't in virtually every other industry?

Because Microsoft has been writing it since 1976...

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

Work with the cards you are dealt

It is sad that Fulcher is painting a picture that ACA can actually be derailed at the State level. Russ by now I figure you would get it...if we don't act the Feds ram their program down our throats. ACA will only get meaningful alteration in Washington when the Republican start acting like the opposition and suggest workable modifications. No question that ACA is simple a well disguised Kennedy single payer system in waiting and the exchange fiasco is a grand scale mess...what a dumb way to give away tax credit that could have been addressed easily. The really, really sad point our foolish Congress and Administration are possessed with GUN CONTROL instead of the largest boondoggle in American government history. It is embarrassing to be an American right now.

Can't get out, join Canada then.

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

Should put the people of Idaho first!

Fulcher's problem is that he keeps putting partisan politics in front of the good of the people of his district and of Idaho.

This is a guy who last year said the legislature would be talking about Idaho sovereignty, not choosing to put that second in order to deal with national issues that are not in the scope of state legislature responsibilities.

As to his "evil genius" theory, does he think the health insurers will be visiting his house with black helicopters? The exchange system was the compromise that the White House adopted when single payer could not be passed. So now, partisanship is not only the right thing for his party, it is an evil thing when the democrats work with the republicans?

carpal tunnel syndrome if forced to..........

Surely I will get carpal tunnel syndrome if forced to type a new comment every time one of my fellow Republicans says something foolish. Forgive me for copying and pasting this comment made in the comment section of another article.

We Republicans need to reexamine our “auto-vote” mechanism that causes us to involuntarily vote for any name with an “R” after it.

Painfully aware of the antics of fellow Republican “leaders” in Idaho. See below our ‘good work” in Utah and Arizona. Embarrassing.

Didn’t a national Republican leader charged with our outreach and development efforts state that we Republicans “must stop being the Party of stupid?”

We are not alone! Read below and weep.

Utah:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home3/55598812-200/johnson-swallow-rawle-attorney.html.csp

http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-77-16068-dialing-for-dollars.html

Arizona:
http://www.azcentral.com/projects/news/politics/dekook/

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2013/01/14/20130114roberts-here-some-things-new-legislature-should-do.html

YOU are alone, effendi.

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

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A good defense is often having a good offense...

A State-based Exchange is probably our best strategy to dealing with the whole PPACA. Why default and let it end up in the Fed's hands, in which we will definitely be at their mercy?

The reason why local insurance companies are behind the State exchange isn't because they support the PPACA, but because they also do not want to fall under full federal control and want to work with their local community.

I for one would rather see Idaho move in the direction of a State based exchange as I think it gives us the best options for local control.

because implementing a

because implementing a federal exchanges imposes new taxes on all residents of Idaho that are NOT levied if we do not implement a state exchange. It is that simple.

By claiming a place at the table, we open our bank accounts and tell the IRS to help themselves.

What if you have good insurance coverage now? Well tough luck... that cadillac plan is outlawed under PPACA.

Even the big lobby's that pushed hard for this law are realizing that what they helped pass is a big stinking turd of federal intrusions into their own pension and benefits structures.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323854904578260313912570432.html

Otter sez: My E-vil plan is WORKING, BWAHAHAHA!

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

Should Idaho's Health Exchange

henceforth be referred to as the "Halocaust" or "Evil Genius" conspiracy? ......So many right-wing conspiracy theories so little truth.

We are not obligated to

We are not obligated to implement federal programs – Idaho has a history of refusing to implement or comply with federal laws that we do not agree with. For example, Idaho passed HB606 in 2008 which states “the state of Idaho shall not participate in the implementation of the Real ID act of 2005”.

Thirty three other states have also refused to implement the federal Real ID act of 2005. The original deadline to comply with the act was May 11, 2008. Since then the deadline has been extended three times, but still the states refuse to comply, and there is nothing the federal government can do about it.

The Real ID act is still federal law, most states have just chosen to ignore it, including Idaho.
--Steve Ackerman

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding!

How can you can have any pudding if you don't eat your MEAT?!?

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.

Fulcher Believes in ...

Unfettered, irrational fearmongering. There is nothing, outside unsubstandtiated claims of "The Blaze" and Limbaugh that support his statements. If he keeps this up he will join Senator Sheryl Nuxoll as a national laughing stock along with the gang at "The Citiadel" and US Senator Larry C. and not to mention State Rep Medvive (abortion is like rape).

Idaho the laughing stock state!!!

PS: The Oklahoma AG admits that his state's suit that the IRS cannot enforce penalites in a federal exchange but can in a state exchange is not likely to succedd in the courts.

The government is the

The government is the biggest fear monger in the nation.

Why are we mandated to buy car insurance? Because we just might happen to get into an accident.

Why do we have probable cause generating traffic laws regarding tail lights & turn signal lead times? Because a driver just might happen to have an outstanding warrant and the PC is used to initiate the traffic stop and affect the arrest.

Why do we have the TSA sticking their hands down our pants and grabbing our crotches? Because there just might be a slimmer of a chance that we will catch a dumb terrorist that is using the techniques of a decade ago.

Why do you have health insurance? Because you just might happen to get really really sick and need more financial resources than you alone have available.

Why do we have laws against murder? Because someone might go and kill someone and we need a legal framework in place ahead of time.

I know Fulcher. He is not

I know Fulcher. He is not the brightest bulb in the candelabra. If he is against it, it must be a good thing.

A REAL leader died overnight...

Former NYC mayor Ed Koch died of congestive heart failure.

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People are broad-minded. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there's something wrong with him.