Idaho announces 2013 football schedule, plans to move to Big Sky in other sports

By Brian Murphy

The Idaho Vandals will play 12 games as a Football Bowl Subdivision independent in 2013 and will move its non-football programs to the Big Sky in 2014, the school announced Friday.

Five of the games will be at the Kibbie Dome in Moscow, complying with NCAA requirements.

In addition to previously announced games at Wyoming (Sept. 7), vs. Northern Illinois (Sept. 14), at Washington State (Sept. 21) and at Mississippi (Oct. 26), Idaho will play Temple, Fresno State, New Mexico State and Old Dominion at home and North Texas, Arkansas State and New Mexico State on the road. (Full schedule below).

The Vandals will play two games with New Mexico State, which is also making the move to FBS independence.

"It's really important that we balance the schedule financially and competitively," Idaho Athletic Director Rob Spear said.

The Vandals will be paid $550,000 for its game at Washington State, $850,000 for its game at Mississippi and $950,000 for its Nov. 23 game at a BCS opponent. Spear said the opponent is not Boise State, which joins the Big East next year.

Idaho is currently a member of the WAC and will remain in the league for other spots in 2013-14 before returning to the Big Sky. The WAC will not sponsor football in 2013.

The Vandals were charter members of the Big Sky in 1963 and played in the conference until 1996.

“We’re excited about this association back with the Big Sky Conference,” President Duane Nellis said. “We have many historic rivalries within the Big Sky Conference, some going back over 100 years.”

Nellis and Spear said the affiliation with the Big Sky would save on travel costs and missed class time.

“It’s going to get us back to our rivalry games and create more fan interest,” Idaho women’s basketball coach Jon Newlee said.

The Big Sky membership for non-football sports in 2014 is: Idaho, Idaho State, Eastern Washington, Montana, Montana State, North Dakota, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Portland State, Sacramento State, Southern Utah and Weber State.

Idaho and Eastern Washington first played basketball in 1905. Idaho first played Montana in 1916 and a year later played Montana State for the first time.

The league will explore dividing into two six-team divisions for basketball and volleyball.

Date Opponent Conference Location
Aug. 31 North Texas Sun Belt Denton, Texas

Sept. 7 Wyoming Mountain West Laramie, Wyo.

Sept. 14 Northern Illinois Mid-American Moscow, Idaho

Sept. 21 Washington State Pac-12 Pullman, Wash.

Sept. 28 Temple Big East Moscow, Idaho

Oct. 5 Fresno State Mountain West Moscow, Idaho

Oct. 12 Arkansas State Sun Belt Jonesboro, Ark.

Oct. 26 Mississippi SEC Oxford, Miss

Nov. 2 New Mexico State Independent Moscow, Idaho

Nov. 9 Old Dominion Colonial Moscow, Idaho

Nov. 23 BCS opponent TBA

Nov. 30 New Mexico State Independent Las Cruces, N.M.

Idaho release

Football secures independent FBS schedule for 2013

MOSCOW, Idaho – The University of Idaho accepted a membership invitation from the Big Sky Conference for all sports – with the exception of football, which announced its 2013 independent schedule.

“We are pleased to announce the renewal of our partnership with the Big Sky Conference,” said University of Idaho M. Duane Nellis, who signed the agreement – at the league’s Oct. 16 meeting at Park City, Utah, to move the Vandals to the Big Sky beginning with the 2014-15 school year.

“As one of the six charter members, our relationship with the Big Sky is a long and storied one. Our student-athletes won team titles and individual championships, and were honored for their academic successes during our original 32 years in the league. We look forward to the same on-field and in-the-classroom achievement as we rejoin the Big Sky.”

Director of Athletics Rob Spear and Nellis agreed the renewed regional rivalries are a significant piece in the Vandals’ conference status, as is maintaining their NCAA Division I status in all sports. They also applauded the Big Sky’s commitment to excellence and reputation as a competitive, successful and robust league.

“The Big Sky is a conference rich in its history and successes,” Spear said. “Returning to the Big Sky allows us to renew regional and historic rivalries. Some of these rivalries date back more than 100 years and are a significant part of our legacy as Vandals.

“We are appreciative of our time in the Western Athletic Conference but at this point, we believe this is the best move for our programs.”

The landscape of the Big Sky Conference translates to less travel for Vandal teams, which reduces time spent out of class as well as travel costs.

The Big Sky embraced the return of the Vandals.

“We welcome The University of Idaho back to the Big Sky, a conference where it excelled athletically and academically for more than 30 years as a flagship member,’’ Big Sky Conference Commissioner Doug Fullerton said. “For decades Idaho enjoyed very successful athletics teams across the board in the Big Sky Conference. We expect the Vandals to enjoy success in our league again.”

Vandal coaches Don Verlin (men’s basketball), Jon Newlee (women’s basketball) and Debbie Buchanan (volleyball) endorsed the move.

· Said Verlin: ““I’m really excited about the regional rivalries that the Big Sky Conference has to offer. The Big Sky has shown over the last few years that they’re competitive on the national scene and they’ve produced some very good players – Damian Lillard went sixth in the NBA Draft this year.”

· Said Newlee: “I love the move to the Big Sky. It’s going to get us back to our rivalry games and create more fan interest. The league is very strong from a women’s basketball standpoint. It’s a talented league and obviously I know it well. I think it’s a great move for us and a great move for all of our sports at Idaho.”

· Said Buchanan: “It's the right move for our athletic department. It's something Rob has been working on for a while. For volleyball it's probably in some ways more competitive than the WAC right now. From a standpoint of student-athlete welfare, our students are going to be in class more and we're not going to be on the road as much. That will also help us from a recruiting standpoint.”

As the bulk of the Vandals’ sports return to the Big Sky, the Vandal football program will become one of six independent programs in the nation. Also playing as independents are Notre Dame, Navy, Army, BYU and New Mexico State.

Spear announced in August that the Vandals would explore independent football status. Today he announced the 12-game slate, which includes five home and seven road games.

“Over the last several years, we have invested a significant amount in FBS football,” said Spear, adding the challenge of putting together an independent schedule is very complex and challenging. “There are many, many moving pieces. In the end, though, I believe we have the balance we need in our football schedule for next year – competitively and financially sound.”

As part of the move to independent football status, Spear announced a back-up agreement with the Idaho Famous Potatoes Bowl is in the works.

“A tie-in with a bowl game is a key component for our football program,” Spear said. “Not only are bowl games rewards for a season-well played but they are a rallying point and cause for celebration for our alumni, fans and boosters.”

Big Sky release

OGDEN, Utah (Oct. 19, 2012) - The University of Idaho will return to the Big Sky Conference on July 1, 2014 league Commissioner Doug Fullerton and UI President M. Duane Nellis announced Friday.

The majority of Idaho’s intercollegiate athletic teams will begin Big Sky Conference play during the 2014-15 academic year. The Vandal football program will play as an Independent at the Bowl Subdivision level of Division I football.

The University of Idaho will become the Big Sky’s 12th member. The Big Sky currently consists of 11 core institutions plus Cal Poly and UC Davis as football affiliate members.

The Big Sky was founded on July 1, 1963 with charter members Idaho, Idaho State, Gonzaga, Montana, Montana State and Weber State. Idaho left the Big Sky following the 1995-96 athletic season. Since July of 2005, the Vandals have been members of the Western Athletic Conference.

“We welcome The University of Idaho back to the Big Sky, a conference where it excelled athletically and academically for more than 30 years as a flagship member,’’ said Big Sky Conference Commissioner Doug Fullerton. “President Duane Nellis and Athletics Director Rob Spear have faced some very difficult challenges as the conference landscape has shifted. Both are to be commended for finding a stable home with a strong academic and athletic future. Our current membership can’t wait to begin renewing old rivalries and developing new relationships with the Vandals.’’

“We are pleased to announce the renewal of our partnership with the Big Sky Conference,” said Nellis, who signed the agreement – at the league’s Oct. 16 meeting at Park City, Utah, to move the Vandals to the Big Sky beginning with the 2014-15 school year. “As one of the six charter members, our relationship with the Big Sky is a long and storied one. Our student-athletes won team titles and individual championships, and were honored for their academic successes during our original 32 years in the league. We look forward to the same on-field and in-the-classroom achievement as we rejoin the Big Sky.”

The Vandals enjoyed years of success in the Big Sky, winning four regular-season and postseason men’s basketball championships. The 1981-82 Idaho men’s basketball team ascended to sixth in the Associated Press Top 25 season during a 27-3 campaign.

While in the Big Sky, Idaho won 10 Big Sky Conference men’s tennis championships, three men’s outdoor track and field titles, one men’s indoor track and field championship, two men’s cross country championships, three regular-season volleyball titles as well as four postseason volleyball titles. The Vandals also won multiple titles in baseball, men’s skiing, and men’s swimming and diving, sports the Big Sky no longer sponsors.

Idaho won the Big Sky Men’s All-Sports Trophy in 1965-66 and again in 1989-90. The Vandals captured the Combined Men’s and Women’s All-Sports Trophy in 1989-90.

“For decades Idaho enjoyed very successful athletics teams across the board in the Big Sky Conference,’’ said Fullerton. “We expect the Vandals to enjoy success in our league again. Travel for Idaho supporters will be much easier as it plays the likes of Eastern Washington, Portland State, Idaho State, Montana and Montana State.

Idaho’s rivalries with some current Big Sky members date back more than 100 years. Idaho and Eastern Washington first played in men’s basketball in 1905. The first Montana-Idaho men’s basketball game was in 1916, and a year later the Vandals played Montana State for the first time.

“The Big Sky is a conference rich in its history and successes,’’ said Idaho Athletics Director Rob Spear. “Returning to the Big Sky allows us to renew regional and historic rivalries. Some of these rivalries date back more than 100 years and are a significant part of our legacy as Vandals.”

Idaho’s women’s basketball team began playing Eastern Washington, Montana and Montana State in 1975. The Vandals first participated against Portland State in 1979, and Idaho State in 1979. In 1976, Idaho’s volleyball team began playing Eastern Washington, Montana, Montana State and Portland State. A year later, Idaho and Idaho State played for the first time on the volleyball court.

“Another dimension of this decision was for our student-athletes,’’ Nellis said. “As far as travel, it allows them much more opportunity to participate in sports while reducing the amount of time away from classes. I think that’s an important part of this decision as well.’’

The Big Sky Conference added the University of North Dakota and Southern Utah as full members on July 1, 2012. Cal Poly and U.C. Davis joined as football-affiliate members on the same date. The league has undergone a major rebranding campaign spearheaded by SME Branding

“It was important to see the quality of schools that the Big Sky has added,’’ Nellis said. “The Big Sky is truly emerging as one of the major conferences in the West. That was certainly something that added to our decision-making. It makes sense in so many ways.’’

The Big Sky Conference has already begun the process of exploring a move to a two-division, six-team format starting in 2014-15 for sports such as basketball and volleyball.

It's a start.

Leave the door open for football also, and get rid of Akey.


I'm not sure if it is Akey, I kind of like the guy. I think it is more the way U of I handled their sports programs. For one thing they should not have put all that money into the Kibbie Dome upgrade. I think it would have been better if they had just torn it down and made a better outside field.

Tear it down?

The upgrades to the dome probably cost less than the cost of just dismantling it. Bad economic model.


I like akey too. I really do. His passion, his style is kind of enigmatic. But he is a bad coach. Here is the test. Would Akey be offered any job on the FBS level right now. The answer is no. But it kind of fits because UI has no business trying this stunt at the FBS level.

You are insane about the Dome though. minimal costs for the upgrade in a stadium that they cannot fill. It doesn't matter if they built a 100,000 seat stadium outside with real gold and a Black field, no conference is going to invite them. They have to know this right? They have to see that the MWC or CUSA's last choice would be the Vandals. In fact a conference would probably rather just hav 6 team rather than invite UI.

I'll admit, I'm biased, I hate the UI. But that does not change the fact that this is one of the most sad, desperate and unwise moves a school could make. And it will damage the UI in ways we have not even imagined yet.

Good points

Good points by you and NIC.

Akey could coach at the FCS level though; in fact it appears he

does. Stop the insanity of being an FBS independent and go to FCS and rebuild so Idaho can have two teams that are competitive in their respective divisions.

"No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government." Neil Peart

Your point is semantical though

One could argue that the only reason he is still employed at his current school is because they are in the middle of something that switching coaches would be even worse during this time.

you know, this just occurred to me. Perhaps some of this debacle has to do with Akey. Perhaps when UI goes back to the Big Sky they will do so with a new coach. I am not up to date on what Akey's contract is but maybe it is cheaper for the UI to try this for a year or two and then get rid of akey and go to the big sky.

I know Akey had longevity built into his contract.

Akey had a 5 year contract

Akey had a 5 year contract when he signed above, which expires with this season if I'm not mistaken.

You are mistaken

From Wikepedia:

"Following the 2009 winning season and bowl victory, Akey was awarded with a new five-year contract in June 2010. It maintains a constant annual base salary of $165,796.80 with annual media payments beginning at $190,000 per year and increasing by $10,000 each year of the contract. There are seven performance-based contingencies in the salary agreement, which could boost his annual compensation to as much as $514,057.60 in 2011 to $544,057.60 in 2014. The base salary is from state funds; the remainder comes through private fund-raising efforts such as the "Coaching Excellence Fund." [1]

Outside is better

Your are on target except I would leave the DOME alone...practice field for football and other sports. Build a outdoor field...use the natural terrain up there...have the architecture dept. design something a quality small school program instead of trying to run with the big dogs.


former U of I student here (I also went to BSU, so I batted for both teams). U of I needs to focus on core competency; research, law school, good sciences (ag, minerals, and other hard sciences) and leave football as a nice thing the school still does but not the center of the entire university experience (ahem BSU).

BSU football as the center of the BSU experience?

I question that on two fronts. 1. It appears hard to get such a large student body to consistently turn out for the games. My understanding is that U of I, at least when BSU would come to town, would have a larger turnout of students than BSU ever does. 2. When I was obtaining my MBA at BSU (granted, graduate, not under-grad experience), I and my cohorts were so focused on the education (and occasional trips to the Iron Gate afterwards) that football was rarely discussed. This was pre-Coach Pete, but still while BSU was ascendant.

No doubt BSU, especially being a commuter university with a large non-traditional student body is different than the UofI, and the football program gets a lot of press, but in my dealings with the students there during and after my time as a student, the students appear to be very intensely focused on their academics, especially the non-trad ones. I think the football program is more of a semi-pro team for the community than for the school; walk around the area during tailgating and you'll see more older non-alumni than alumni.

"No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government." Neil Peart

Good point Boise Poet

BSU student section is routinely empty at games. The athletic department (football) is supported by the community at large.

A waste of a year

Recruits cannot relate to not working toward a conference championship unless they are at a ND or BYU. Coach Akey and the boys sure would have an easier time in living rooms during recruiting season if they were vying for the BIG SKY Championship and a chance at the national stage. The U of I has a proud tradition that can be salvaged is they pull their heads out of the sand and view the move to the Big Sky as simply the best "fit".

New Mexico State

I did not know you could play the same team twice. I'm like a lot other posters I think it would be better to go back to the Big Sky where you would have a chance to compete and re-build your program. But whatever you do I hope it works out for you. Even though some Vandal fans drive me nuts I like to support all of our Idaho teams.

2013 stopgap season

Pathetic, just pathetic...


Gotta feel bad for the players too. Playing for absolutely nothing. 12 games to sacrifice your body for no goal. No awards, no all conference team, no national recognition, no bowl, nothing to fight for. And here is the kicker that bandaid still has to come off. 2014? 2015? Whenever UI goes to the BIG SkY. You can bet these players would rather play for something next year than nothing with the eventual fate being the big sky anyway. I feel especially bad for the seniors. Yes, I know you lose some players because of Schollies but you are going to lose them anyway?

Coach Akey's "play for pride" speech is going to get real old about game 2.

What is UIs 5 year plan with this? What is the goal? Is the small chance of a conference invite worth mortgaging on the backs of these kids?

What is going on up there?!

potato2, I've got a friend

who's son played 2 years under Akey. He was a good player that got to play quite a bit. Here's what he said about Akey: He's a good guy, the kind you'd like to have a few beers with. He's a great motivator/cheerleader/rah-rah type of person. He's passionate about football and the team. He shows true concern for all the players. He's got a great sense of humor and knows some of the best jokes ever heard. Unfortunately, he doesn't know jack about football....Sunny...

Yeah, that is the reputation

I hear too. I wonder if his players still believe in his schtick.

Here is the thing, the kicker is decent, Blackmon has potential but what are those guys thinking deep down. It probably sounds something like this, "Boy oh Boy did I pick the wrong school."


Vandal here who would much prefer to see Idaho return to the Big Sky in all sports - including football - even if they weren't competitive in football in the Big Sky. Maybe they'd lose games 28-21 instead of 38-7.

What a waste

Can the football program altogether and put the money into the law school. What the world needs is more lawyers, not
Bottom 10 football teams.

how about we meet in some

how about we meet in some middle ground, can the law school (more lawyers... really? yeah I know it is a good program, and my roommate went to the U of I law school....) and can the football program. focus on other sports (I'd love to see volleyball and B-ball given more funding) and then focus on academics: ag-sci, forestry, minerals, chemistry, bio-chem, etc and return to getting some real good quality research done?

meeting in the middle

I was being tongue in cheek about the world needing more lawyers. There seems a glut of them already. Your suggestions are great. They probably will never can the football program, but for the love of gawd, they really need to join the Big Sky if they keep the program. Location, location, location.

Spear needs to go

Not sure why Nellis is putting up with this raft of crud coming out of the athletic department these days. Has anyone seen a more desperate program literally clinging by its fingernails to Division 1 status? As someone mentioned above - it is PATHETIC.


Flagship is not about athletics

But you are spot-on about Spear. He is a horrible excuse for an AD. FIRE HIM NOW! And Akey too.

exactly. unlike some other

exactly. unlike some other universities, the primary goal of a university should be education & research.... not sports & being a fan of those sports.


Your post embodies the actual problem at UI. This idea that you are competing with BSU at all. This is a giant irresponsible move by the UI that will only end in one way. It is also a sad commentary on what collegiate sports have become. The UI is exhibit one on why the NCAA and the BCS suck. They have killed an institution. Actually the UI should be welcoming the role of martyr. Honestly this story should be national news, and it might be if they were going to the Big Sky next year instead of 14 or 15.

But you bring a shot at BSU into your post. Totally oblivious to the catastrophe that is being discussed.

BSU benefits from it's athletic program, yes. A lot of schools do. UI is damaging itself with this decision.

This is not about BSU Vs UI anymore but rather about a school acting irresponsibly.

Like I have said before, I am not a fan of the UI in any form. I really dislike them. But, that does not mean that the real monsters should not be exposed.

The Ad, The president, rich donors stuck in the mindset of BSU Vs UI, the NCAA, the BCS, and dumb UI students, faculty y and alum that do not see the sickness of chasing these egotistical and prideful pipedreams. All on the back of the education of youth in our own state.

Those are the real monsters.

Are you off your meds?

You're a real nutcase. Ha ha. Wow...


and you are the picture of sanity. Go ahead and post something about this subject.

Two Games

Two games with New Mexico State is ALL you need to read in the above article.

Misery loves company and we have two miserable programs here huddling together in the cold of "left out" and "left behind".

on the plus side....

At least they have a great field goal kicker!

sad state

of affairs. i'm also in favor of a return to the big sky but as tylerdurden pointed out, they may still take a beating in football. it is way past time to make the move and start rebuilding.

It's ALL about $$$$$$$$

This is 100% about money. This is being controlled primarily by the big money boosters that are donating $$$ to UI, for both acedemics and athletics. The UI alumni (the money boosters) are still living in their 1950's world where they looked at themselves as if they were the USC's of college football. When they had to stoop so low as to join the Big Sky back in the 60's & 70's, it was totally unacceptable and below their stature. When BSU moved up to FBS level, it was simply too much for them to accept and they had to do the same. Now, it's a matter of keeping their ego's inflated so they can somehow hope to keep up with BSU and to keep the booster $$$$ rolling in.

If a UI alumni base, and a few of the money boosters, would just swallow a little pride, they would admit the Big Sky is the best fit for their entire athletics. It's going to eventually happen anyway......the sooner this happens, the better it will be for everyone involved.

I see a possible 2 wins next season for the Vandals

New Mexico St at home and New Mexico St on the road... classic and priceless.. I didn't think there was a team worse off than Idaho... oh wait a minute... NEW MEXICO STATE!!!! Both of you two teams need a reality check... Vandals go back to the BIG SKY where you belong and AGGIES drop football altogether.

Two games against NMSU?

Now that's funny. Seriously, save yourselves more embarrassment and move your FB to the Big Sky where it belongs. Or get rid of the program all together.

It's a start down the road to FCS

It's a bitter pill to swallow for many Vandal fans and alums, but I think that this is the strategy that will lead to the logical conclusion of moving the football program back to the FCS and the Big Sky. I understand that there is resistance to doing it all in one step. It's hard to look at the situation dispassionately, particularly for those boosters who have never been able to reconcile Boise State's football success in comparison to Idaho's.

The fact is that Idaho has a small stadium that doesn't sell out, it's a tough place to get to and there isn't a regional FBS conference that can afford the time and expense to travel to such a small market. Unfortunately, it's economics.

On the other hand, the Big Sky is regional, has similar sized markets and presents a competitive challenge to Idaho. Instead of one or two wins a year, Idaho could actually have some winning seasons. And, in addition to being able to recruit on the basis of getting a great education, the program can offer up the potential of a conference or even national championship. In the current state of affairs, what is there for a football recruit to see at the U of I? An education, to be sure, but certainly not success on the field. That's a pretty tough sell to a competitive kid.

Eventually Idaho will find its way back to the FCS. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so that the program can experience some successes. And, for crying out loud, Vandal boosters have got to step out of the shadow of Boise State and stand on their own!

Boise Fans lets get serious, when you drive into Boise

from Broadway, what do you see? You see Joe's Alibi and Bronco Stadium, and across from Joe's some granolas trying to sell their wilted, organic lettuce....yes, when in Boise you see Stadium, thus football--thus, Boise is football....

When driving into Moscow you see a College....Yes, a school where learning is priority....

Boise is big-time football heading to small time again....

BAC Level

You obviously spent too much time at the Alibi if that's all you saw.

By the way Moscow is heading for small time football. Big Sky for football in two years.

arlo....dont look to far ahead cause

Boise in Big East heading to small time too....

2013 in AQ and that is it....then you guys are stuck....stuck in a playoff system and the Big East will be sharing BCS opportunities with at least 3 other conferences....

Enjoy your one-time black unis....

Φ Sure thing.

Because you say so.

Don't be too quick to bet on the one-time black thing.


You do realize the 4 team playoff has nothing to do with conferences, right?

Come on buddy, you need to pay better attention......


You cant say that yet. The specifics of the 4 teams has not been worked out yet. Some say top 4 BCS rated go. Others are saying conference winners from the main 4 conference winners, which would have legal troubles....

Regardless of system used to pick the top 4, it does not look good for the Big East in 2014 and beyond....

ugly, yes I can....

Conference champions (from all conferences) will be given stronger consideration than non-champions. There is NO discussions to limit the playoff to 4 conferences.

The "playoff" system looks as good for the Big East as it does the SEC.

Things actually look really good for the Big East for 2014 and beyond, beginning with the soon to be announced TV deal.

BSU4342....No you cant....

I provided a response but it went to spam....

thus I will keep this short....

The 4 super-conference champions plus the top 4 BCS rated schools will have the 99% chance of the 4 team playoff system....Boise State will have to be conference champion and [probably] also rated in the top 4....

ugly you are not paying attention.....

Again, you need to do your research. Trust me, you will see how silly your above statement is.

BTW? who are the "4" super conferences?

Well, you did a little editing there. But that's OK. Do you think Oklahoma would make the 4 team playoff if they don't win their conference and are not ranked in the top 4? How about Alabama?, or USC?...... are misleading on your own....look at your

very own quote from few posts of above....

BSU4342 says in response to Ugly....'You do realize that the 4 team playoff has nothing to do with conferences, right?'

Then you go and argue conference champions....

Yes, I know you have to win the conference. But it will be from the main 4 and the Big East will have to be on outside looking in and wait and see....

On your questions, NO....

The reason I post and then edit is because 50% of my brilliant answers have gone to spam, thus no-one will see so I have to hurry and post....

BSU4342, how many AQ conferences are there? Is the Big East an AQ after 2014?

ugly ugly.......

Two questions....

1.) Who are these "4" conferences you keep bringing up?

2.) How many AQ conferences will there be in 2014?

Sorry I have to do this........

BSU4342....I am typing fast as not to get spammed....

so what I type and meaning could be different from your opinion....

On #1: Brace yourself but the top 4 are:
Big 12
Big Ten
Pac 12

On #2: Probably none, as they will redefine it....

So ugly, what happened to the ACC?

Doesn't the ACC have the Orange bowl tie-in?

(You should realize by now that your 4 conference opinion is a farce)

As far as number 2, there will be none, it's already decided. So I'm not sure why you keep stating the the Big East won't be an AQ conference as if that means something.


lets put it this way and since the BCS has put the 4 team playoff system for the next 12 years, then we know some folks will get left out of the playoff system, even though they may be a conference champ....

thus, this is Ugly's opinion on how I feel the 4 teams and their conferenc champs will be rated and selected....brace yourself

Conference Champ ....BCS Ratings and Selection on Weighted math
SEC........ 15%
Big 12..... 15%
Big Ten.... 15%
Pac-12..... 15%
ACC........ 10%
Big East... 8%
mwc/mac/usa. 7%

There will be a new BCS rating system based on conference strenght....Ugly's opinion from the numeorus articles that I have read, but they did not come out and say that specifically....

BSU4342, lets say there are 8 FBS IA confernces in 2016 because of confernce alignment. Only 4 teams go to the 4 team playoff. How do you choose the 4 that go and the 4 that do not go?