Candidate rebuttal: Hagedorn touts record of service and accomplishments

Rep. Marv Hagedorn, a Meridian Republican seeking to move to the state Senate, says his work to reduce corporate and high-end personal income tax rates demonstrates his ability to get things done.

Wrote Hagedorn: "As a leader I have a record of results. Most recently, I worked closely with Gov. Otter to reduce Idahoans’ income taxes for the first time in 12 years. We put $35.7 million of your tax dollars back into the economy by placing the spending authority of these monies where it belongs – directly in the hands of the Idahoans who earned it. My opponent opposed this action. These efforts, like those to eliminate personal property taxes or use tax, do not happen overnight, they happen by joining stakeholders at the table and looking for viable solutions."

Here is Hagedorn's rebuttal to our Tuesday endorsement of former legislator Stan Bastian of Eagle:

As a member of the Idaho Legislature, I have a strong record of serving the people of western Ada County. I have a proven public record of accomplishing success by building relationships, identifying problems and taking action. The people of my district have reaffirmed my leadership abilities by sending me to represent them at the Statehouse for three terms.

Each candidate brings unique skill sets to the table. The Idaho Statesman editorial board has placed a great deal of value on service, and I too value service. Daily I crisscross our county working with leaders in business, city and county government, and our area colleges and universities to bring people from all sides together to resolve the big issues and concerns facing Idahoans.

As a leader I have a record of results. Most recently, I worked closely with Gov. Otter to reduce Idahoans’ income taxes for the first time in 12 years. We put $35.7 million of your tax dollars back into the economy by placing the spending authority of these monies where it belongs – directly in the hands of the Idahoans who earned it. My opponent opposed this action. These efforts, like those to eliminate personal property taxes or Use tax, do not happen overnight, they happen by joining stakeholders at the table and looking for viable solutions.

As a retired Naval “Mustang” Officer, I am the voice of veterans at the Idaho Legislature. I not only champion efforts for our state’s veterans at the statehouse but also as the co-founder and vice president of the Wyakin Warrior Foundation (a mentorship and scholarship program for our nation’s wounded warriors at BSU and CWI), I work closely with these heroes’ successful transition from the “battlefield to business.”

As a legislator, I am committed to constituent service, my most lauded accomplishment by those that I serve. I was humbled this past year to assist an Idaho soldier in obtaining recognition of his bravery in battle. I coordinated an Idaho state recommendation to the White House for the Medal of Honor, which was overlooked by the military. The opportunity to serve constituents, such as this young man, is why we serve at the Statehouse.

My opponent has a record of service, but no record of accomplishments. I have both. I ask for your vote on Tuesday, May 15.

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'get things down'

great Freudian slip there, guys. :)

Fixed.

Kevin Richert
editorial page editor

The problem with Marv Hagedorn

The problem with Marv Hagedorn is that he reduced taxes for high income Idaho citizens and Idaho corporations while neglecting to take care of lower and middle income Idahoans. Hey Marv, Idaho has many more constituents than just the noisy rich and squeaky corporations. If you were to help all Idahoans, you'd have my vote. However, your logic is to help the rich. Then, somehow, that will also help the lower and middle class. Sorry, I want a government representative that helps the lower and middle class first. Help all Idahoans, but the regular citizen has to be the top priority of government.

Instead of believing talking points

Do your own homework. The Democrats have wanted everyone to believe the tax break Marv and others worked on was only for the rich, I guess if you consider anyone that makes more than $7500 rich, you could either be right or an idiot. Every business or person that makes more than that will keep some money in their pockets.

Marv worked on reducing taxes for business so they could reinvest and create jobs just like other states and even Presidents have. We have seen how Obama economics is working, I think he's on to something. It worked for JFK and for Reagan, why not here?

missing a zero?

$75,000 is more like it. To quote from Betsy Russell at the Spokesman Review: "For a single person who doesn't itemize and takes the standard deduction, that equates to a minimum gross income of $36,260 to start getting any tax break. For a married couple filing jointly with no dependents, it's $72,520. For a couple with two children, it's $79,920. Just over 17 percent of Idaho income tax filers would benefit from the cut." Even at that level, the tax cut amounts for just $40 a year or so.

And state law reads

Anyone making $7500 or more will pay 7.4% (it was 7.8% max for anyone making $20,000 or more but that got removed to the next lower step of $7500 at 7.4%). That's how it reads, I would believe the law before any numbers presented by a reporter!

Let's see your figures, you have mine right out of the code book!

Do your homework

The wealthiest 1% of Idaho residents will realize an average tax cut of $2,642. The next-wealthiest 4% will realize a tax cut of $336, on average, while the next-wealthiest 15% will realize a tax cut of $51 whopping dollars.

That 15%? They're making between $80,000 and $150,000, with the average income being $104,000.

The members of the fourth group on this scale--20% of Idaho taxpayers, earning between $52,000 to $80,000, with an average income of $64,000--will receive a tax cut of . . . . wait for it . . . . $10. The next 20%, earning between $34,000 and $52,000, with an average income of $42,000, will receive enough of a tax cut to buy two scratch-off lottery tickets. If you fall outside that group, you get nothing.

http://www.itepnet.org/pdf/IdahoAnalysis.pdf

So where's the beef?

This is a page provided to make you believe what that bill did. I appreciate you finding this (you should also look into the history of the Institute of Taxation and Economic Policy and how it's funded). Also compare their findings to other websites as well. Using only one source will (and has) steered you down a path of ignorance and blindly following the talking points of those that opposed the tax reduction bill.

With this information from the website you provided, reconcile for me how they get to these tax saving points based upon the information in the bill:
When Idaho taxable income is:
Less than $1,000 rate is 1/6%
$1,000 but less than $2,000 $16 plus 3.6% of that over $1000
$2,000 but less than $3,000 $52, plus 4.1% of that over $2000
$3,000 but less than $4,000 $93 plus 5.1% of that over $3000
$4,000 but less than $5,000 $144 plus 6.1% of that over $4,000
$5,000 but less than $7,500 $205 plus 7.1% of that over $5,000
27 $7,500 and over $383 plus 7.4% of that over $7500

Oh, you can't? Of course not, because the information of how THEY came to that conclusion is not available. The new Idaho law seems pretty clear to me.

You really aren't a financial type person are you...

What you've published is the new rates...now extrapolate that out to the effects caused by the removal of the top rate.
Don't try to argue tax and finance when you can't understand it.

"No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government." Neil Peart

So you insist

That by taking away the top rate of 7.8% for anything ANYONE makes over $20,000 and moving that top rate DOWN to 7.4% for ANYONE that makes $7500 or more really only impacts the RICH? You still have not been able to explain your numbers. Mine are in Idaho code, yours are from some unknown website with unknown math skills.

The new top rate is, regardless of if you believe it or not, 7.4% for anything over $7500 per year. I'm thinking anyone making $8000 per year or more is not someone who is rich, but maybe you come from around here?

And you continue to show your lack of understanding...

that this substantially affects the people who make more, than the people who make less. Next year if they are sweating revenue again, they have only themselves to blame. Try some math...take the old and new rates for someone who makes 100k versus 25k and see whose taxes was more propotionally affected.

"No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government." Neil Peart

Do Your Homework

Bravo

VERY well done.