Defenders of Wilfdlife marks wolf delisting anniversary with decimated rhetoric

The Defenders of Wildlife is marking the one year anniversary of Idaho Republican Rep. Mike Simpson’s budget rider that removed wolves from the protection of the federal Endangered Species Act.

Since Simpson will face Marvin “Chick” Heileson in the Republican Primary May 15, he probably doesn't mind Defenders reminding everyone of one of his major accomplishments this term.

It was May 5 last year that Simpson’s rider returned management of gray wolves in Idaho and Montana to the states. Since then Idaho hunters and trappers shot 375 wolves and the Idaho Department of Fish and Game estimated the population at about 570.

“In the past year, state officials have pursued some of the exact same short-sighted, predator control strategies from the 1800s that put wolves on the endangered species list in the first place,” said Jamie Rappaport Clark, president of Defenders of Wildlife and a former director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. “They’re treating wolves like vermin instead of managing them like valuable native wildlife. That’s not how Idaho manages other species like black bears and mountain lions, and it’s not a responsible way to manage wolves either.”

By the group’s own description, state wildlife managers haven’t “decimated” as Clark suggested, the wolf population any more than wolves are decimating the elk population.

Clark points out that Fish and Game had written a plan in 2009 that set as it goal maintaining 518 to 732 wolves. The estimated population is in that ball park after hunting season.

But what they really don’t like is that Gov. Butch Otter pushed the independent Fish and Game Commission to rescind that plan in part because groups like Defenders said it wasn’t enough. So now the state’s goal is back to somewhere between 150 and 300 wolves to the chagrin of Defenders.

Idaho lawmakers are disappointed that more wolves weren’t killed. Only Simpson’s intervention kept Idaho Republican Sen. Jeff Siddoway from carrying a law to the floor of the Senate that would have made it easier to kill wolves.

“The Obama administration and members of Congress who supported the wolf rider share the blame for stripping vital protections without adequate safeguards in place, and now it’s their job to hold Idaho accountable,” Clark said. “ The question is: How low will Idaho have to go before those responsible for the wolf’s premature delisting do something?”

So don't look for wolf lovers to campaign door-to-door for Obama's re-election.

Clark replaced Roger Schlickeisen as president of Defenders. She’s worked with state leaders in her past role and may have more credibility than Schlickeisen, who more than once ignored past commitments his group had made to westerners when wolves were reintroduced.

Defenders still wants more wolves than Idahoans appear ready to tolerate. But they won’t get any more credibility with “decimate” rhetoric about wolves than anti-wolf groups have with elk.

Valuable native wildlife

are you kidding me......not native to these lands but Alaska, and not as valuable as you think, when feeding grounds are diminishing, hunting pressure high, and predator levels higher than ever because of you folks. Our Elk populations have been cut in half....how is that a valuable native inhabitant! The proof is in the pudding just visit Stanley, Challis, Salmon and look for offspring in the spring.....not much happening.

Sorry treestand, elk are everywhere

and thriving, if the counts along the Banks-Lowman highway, State Hwys 75, 93, and 95 mean anything. For the past month, anyone driving to Stanley could count at least a thousand. Yes, a thousand. Most people see very little difference in elk numbers - although hunters will find them far more wary and reclusive.

And the last predator I saw going for an elk calf was a black bear, not a wolf.

Sure, wolves eat elk. But not even close to the numbers you suggest. Extreme positions on either side of the wolf issue help nobody.

Have you wondered

why they are in high numbers near our highways.....not the snow level..as it used to be in the past..what you are seeing is pretty what elk are left in that area.....they are not thriving.....their reproduction is low...in many zones elk numbers have dropped.......they should be a lot higher and spread out in May....since much of the snow is already melting off....not so.....they are looking for protection near people and roadways.....I hunted wolves there......they come off the high ridges at night to kill elk and deer and then head back upward prior to sunlight....the elk stay near those roads, near cabins, and people. Better protection. I am not as extreme as the Defenders....I understand their views about a healthy environment....just not there anti hunting, trapping, guns and ranching views.

ROads are protection

Last winter I took a photography trip into the backwoods. I was driving slowly along an abandoned road when suddenly 6 elk came running towards me and stopped behind my vehicle. Within a minute several wolves came running on the same track. When the wolves saw my truck, they stopped milled and proceeded to leave. It was obvious that the elk learned that vehicles are their protection. Obviously, wolves also learned that vehicles mmean death. This was in the Chalis area.

Well, Darn, kids...

I don't think it's like going to happen. I mean...well yeah, we tried and we fought hard but it not going to work.

If you wanna take the donuts with you they aren't too old.

I want the raspberry one.

really? crap

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Your kidding right?

How many times are the anti's going to use the tired old untrue statement that these wolves are not the same as the ones that once called Idaho home?? You people have no proof, because there is none, the wolves that are here today are one in the same as the so called native Idaho wolf. The wolves are killing all the elk, not hardly. Tell me how then that the elk population in Idaho is meeting IDFG objective? in Montana the elk population is 22,000 over objective, in Wyoming the elk are 40,000 over objective. To bad the corruption starts at the top and continues right down into IDFG. They couldn't manage their way out of a wet paper bag.

Wrong Red

You are quite simply, wrong, Red. There are subspecies of wolves. Northern Canadian and AK wolves evolved 20% to 30% bigger than their cousins to the south. They did that because an important food source was much bigger than down south. Moose in AK and Canada are one third bigger than those found in MT. & ID. I lived in AK 16 years and they use aerial wolf hunts to control the wolf population. When the wolves eat all the ungulates they look for other food sources. A school teacher in a village not far from Anchorage, but with no road access, was taken down and partially eaten by three very hungry wolves. This isn't fiction. You can go to the Anchorage Daily News (adn.com) do a search on wolf attacks and see for yourself.

The wolves in Minnesota and Wisconsin are smaller than AK & Canadian wolves. The wolves in New Mexico are far smaller. I'm not paranoid and I don't fear wolves. I'm a realist and a hunter.

Drako

NOT

Sorry drako but you are wrong here. These are gray wolves, one in the same. The school teacher was a wolf attack, but the other one is anyone's guess, two different wolf experts testified in that case and disagreed on the exact animal that caused the death.
I really like how you all claim they are different. The wolves in Canada & Alaska are gray wolves. There are only 5 subspecies's of the gray wolf.
You really need to talk to someone who is qualified and was part of the wolf re-introduction. There is nothing to fear about wolves. Even before the re-introduction the wolves from Canada were already coming down into Idaho, its not like there is a fence and these animals travel for hundreds of miles. You can preach your story to those that are uneducated about wolves and continue to spread your hate message. I'm a realist and a hunter also.
But also if you want to lay out the old story how wolves will stalk school children at their bus stops, then think about this, every year in the USA there are more people killed by cows then wolves. Should we start killing all the cows??

yes

We already do kill all the cows. "BEEF-It's what's for dinner".

Red, You ADMIT there are subspecies of the gray wolf.
Do you think each subspecies has different traits that affect its survival?
Do you believe each subspecies has it's own geographic distribution?

which is it?

Is it Kobe beef or Harris ranch beef?????
Gonna have to substitute squirrel for beef if the price keeps going up, I wonder how good canada goose spaghetti would be????

Permanently kept in Canada.

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redridinghood is correct.

redridinghood is correct. They are all gray wolves. There are 2 SPECIES of wolf in the US and that is the gray wolf and the red wolf. The wolves in Canada, Alaska, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Oregon, Washington, etc are ALL GRAY WOLF. Wolves are indeed wild unpredictable animals, but wolf attacks are low. The antis (wolf haters) will demonize wolves to no end and have people believe that wolves are the most dangerous thing out there which is a bunch of nonsense.

DNA

DNA evidence has proven they are one and the same species.

LOL, you are a realist and a hunter and that says it all. You've got competition in hunting! Poor you!

bio 101

TP, do you understand the difference between species and subspecies?

That is why a lot of hunters

That is why a lot of hunters hate wolves. Wolves are superior elk/deer hunters than hunters.

Isn't a 'wolf leader' called an ALPHA MALE?

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Alpha is a myth

The "alpha" myth was created and debunked by Dr. David Mech.

In his own words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtFgdwTsbU

Willis what you talkin bout?

So the countless hours I have watched wolves inner act with each other, watching the ALPHA MALE & FEMALE feed first and run the pack was all false. What did I see then. I guess I need to re-read Dr Mech's book and make sure there are no other idea's that are wrong. I guess I better re-read Doug Smith's book too. Maybe the world is flat Charlie Brown.

Dr. Mech's video

Perhaps you should watch the video?

whats wrong with the book???

I got the book, why should I waste anymore time on this???
It seems that each person will chose who they care to quote or believe. You call it potatoe I call it potato.
I know I'm not a doctor, but I do have 2 eyes can witness wolf dynamic's for myself.
Each cynical I mean clinical case is different.
How many wolves are in Idaho???
How much meat a day or per kill does each wolf consume???
It is our duty, our job to question all those that can effect the outcome.

Dr. Mech

If you can't take 2 minutes to watch Dr. Mech in person correct what he wrote in 1970 it is not my problem. The link was intended to contribute to the discussion and correct a 40 year old myth. Unlike most people I read what every scientist writes, not just one side or another. What I've seen in the field in the last 7 years doesn't always match up with what is claimed by either side.

I think you are just trolling now.

sorry not fishing

I only troll for salmon and trout. Do you really think Mech knows the gospel truth???
My opinion is we don't have the number of wolves that most claim, I also believe that IDFG lacks in managing all our wildlife, I also think we should have grizzly bears back in Central Idaho. I don't feel a bit sorry for a rancher who loses stock on public lands. I also think the extreme wacko's who don't think wolves should be hunted are just as deceitful as the extreme anti wolf people. I am right down the middle. If IDFG screws up the real numbers that have been killed then they get relisted and Idaho will never get the chance to manage them and we all know how much of a Ed Bang up job they do.
oh got a bite gotta go...ttfn

Where would all his clothes go when the ball clobbered him?

This is one freaking conundrum, Linus!

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I've about given up on You tube and don't visit much.

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You

lost. Go away now.

Dang straight

All wildlife need to be managed, PERIOD. Because of urban sprawl, wildlife has lost much of its native winter grazing grounds, aka Columbia Village. I don't have a problem with a rancher using their own private property to graze their stock, my problem lye's with them using public lands, they pay squat for these grazing allotments and in turn destroy them. Look at the damage done up above Cottonwood creek, every fall hundreds of sheep are brought over, they eat the food that is suppose to sustain the deer and elk. Then all the pro rancher people say if we don't let them graze their stock then the beef prices will go up, well here's a clue have you went to the store lately to buy beef. Every year there are hundreds of thousands of cows, sheep that are grazed on public lands, how much of that beef stays here in Idaho??? Good thing I still have plenty of deer meat from last year. If you compare the amount of deer and elk killed by humans, whether roadkill, hunting or poaching it far out numbers the amount of deer and elk killed by wolves and there are plenty to go around. Its just there are certain groups of people who feel the deer and elk are only for them. These same people also feel hunting, fishing and trapping should be a constitutional right here in Idaho, I DON'T THINK SO. Here's an idea we should get IDFG to start doing the job they are paid to do before the wolves get relisted and then we are all SOL.

Who is paying IDFG

Who is paying IDFG -- the hunters and fisherpeople. Wolf protecting the hen house?

get your hot wolf here

Hot dog.
Hot wolf.
New from Ball Park Franks.

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It is "ballpark" ya Rock!
Unless, you are talking aout something that "plumps when ya cook em".

Ignoring the other obvious typos and krapp.

Thank you P2

Here I always thought ballpark franks were made out of lips, beaks and ashholes. I feel better now about eating them, much more healthy, I can now get some of those alpha genes in my snack.

You forgot juevos, senora.

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Virginia wolves

Ms. Clark lives in Leesburg, Virginia.

Let's "reintroduce" wolves to Virginia!

Already Gone With The Wind

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Wolves, behavior, ecology and conservation

Wow reading from page 50-60 that not only does Dr Mech not make any sense but he also confuses himself. He has taken something pretty simple and complicated it.
So which is it, Linear Hiearchy, Sex/age graded Hiearchy or family relationship???
Anyone with their own two eye's can watch the behavior of a pack of dogs, does not have to be wolves and see that you have a leader of the pack so to speak. But I guess its what ever which ever way the person wants to think.
I believe in the Linear Hiearchy, alpha, beta, gamma and omega.
Looks like there is alot of smoke screen and mirrors going on, in other words these people with PHD's, MDA's and MBA's and doctrine in social science, social studies and social behavior.
I also suppose that the study that shows when an animal moves into a new or different area, different from its origin that the social surroundings, the biological surroundings will dictate the social & biological makeup of that animal.

Not rhetoric after all

Rocky,

Looks like using the word "decimate" (which you never actually quote Ms. Clark saying) might not be inaccurate after all.

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2012/05/07/wolf-mortality-in-idaho-a-final-toll-48-59-percent-of-idaho-wolves-killed-in-one-year/

Also, this sentence of yours is unclear: "Since then Idaho hunters and trappers shot 375 wolves and the Idaho Department of Fish and Game estimated the population at about 570."

You do not indicate whether the 570 is before the hunt, or after.

Not Rhet or Ric

Lifeless wolves, no matter the number.

We got a fine audience here.

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Idaho fish and game really

Idaho fish and game really have no idea how many wolves there are. Fish and game agencies cannot count every single animal there is out there. They just can't. The wolf says in Idaho say 1500-3000 wolves in Idaho. Anti-wolf commissioner Tony Mcdermott says 1200-1600 wolves. Others say under 1000. There is no way of truly knowing. I know a lot of wolf haters want to get back to the 150 number and that just isn't going to happen, ever. Wolf haters want to kill wolves just so they can boost elk and deer populations for them to "harvest".

DUHHHHH! We bow to the oracle.

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so, where's the "decimation" rhetoric?

This article might make some bit of sense if the author had actually provided even just 1 example of Defenders of Wildlife using this "decimation" rhetoric. I don't see that in the quote from Clark. Its just a critique of the tactics and approach that IDFG is using to manage wolves. I think the author is taking some major liberties with the facts in order to make his pre-determined point.

Maybe DOW is all broken and not saying a lot lately

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Right on

Great point, derekmgold. Rocky never actually quotes Clark as saying "decimate"!

So who's peddling the rhetoric after all?

junko Rocko

From a DoW press release 4/30-

Clark:
"...never before has a species climbed its way back from near extinction only to be quickly decimated once again."

From Suzanne Stone:
"We need a responsible wildlife management plan for Idaho before the population is decimated.”

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The Rocko reads a press release and tries to put it in his own words. The result is usually junk! In this case, it is junk in and junk out.

Awarding winning junk though!
Yeah! Nominate yourself for some enviro writing and you too can can win- if your dues are paid for the year.