Readers' verdict on Idaho Sen. Toryanski's outspokenness on ultrasound mandate: most say characterization was accurate

In my Wednesday column I solicited feedback from readers on whether I'd overstated the role Sen. Mitch Toryanski, R-Boise, played in advocating Senate Bill 1387.

The wholly unscientific response by email, phone, Facebook and comments attached to the story online, suggests I got it right, with 71 agreeing Toryanski was outspoken on the matter and three disagreeing, or questioning my credibility.

I phoned and emailed Sen. Toryanski this morning, hoping he'd share what he's been hearing, which may well be different. I also sent him a link to this post. If I hear back from him, I'll update this post with his comments.

SB 1387 passed the Senate 23-12 but died without a hearing in the House after an uproar in the GOP caucus. It would have required women seeking abortions to have an ultrasound and be offered the chance to view the procedure and an image of the unborn child. Also, doctors would have been required to record a heartbeat and gestational age and have the patient sign a statement noting that she'd reviewed those findings and affirming whether she chose to view the ultrasound and/or the image.

On Monday, I got a call from Toryanski, who objected to my characterizing him as an "outspoken supporter" of SB 1387. Wednesday's column included online audio of Toryanski's
7-minute debate
on March 19 and our 8-minute conversation on the topic Wednesday.

The bulk of the feedback I received came from 210 comments posted below the story. Of the 56 who expressed an opinion on Toryanski's role, 53 agreed I'd been fair; three disagreed. Another 154 comments were not on point.

The other 18 comments came by email, phone or Facebook, with the all 18 saying I'd gotten it right.

Here's a sample of the comments:

Ann Carlson, via email:: "Yes, I believe it is fair to describe Mitch Toryanski's support of the ultrasound bill as 'outspoken.' Anyone who choses to speak and then goes on for 7 minutes is 'outspoken' in my book.

I am in his legislative district and sent him an email and voicemail asking him to oppose the bill prior to the vote and responded by email to his request for feedback on his position after the vote- again in opposition."

Bob Boyno, via email:

"In this morning's column you asked for feedback regarding the senator's reaction to your calling him 'outspoken' on the ultrasound issue. After listening to his floor speech I agree that the label fits.

What got to me the most in his floor comments were his comparisons of forced procedures to elective ones and in the case of a DWI blood draw, he is comparing a legal medical procedure to an illegal act.

If the senator wants to come out and say, 'Look, I don't approve of abortion and will do whatever I can to stop it', fine, but don't couch it in medical mumbo jumbo, for which you have no credentials, and expect me to believe that's your rationale.

I have shared my thoughts and disappointment with the senator."

The comments attached to the story rarely include the poster's true name. The 210 comments I reviewed as of late this morning included multiple postings by many contributors. They also sometimes stray off topic. I did my best to read the comments on the question of whether it was fair to call Toryanksi "outspoken."

Wrote badam on page 1, reading from oldest first:

You can't have it both ways, Senator Toryanski. You know that. The voters know that. You're vote is your final say. Period.

Wrote poolboy on page 2:

Yet another "Danny Boy" Popkey hit piece on a Republican.

Wrote nijimasu on page 2, in reply to poolboy:

Mr. T calls Popkey because he doesn't like the portrayal he's gotten. Popkey explains the situation and gives readers access to Mr. T's actual statements (no spin possible from Popkey when you access them).

I wouldn't spend time complaining about Popkey- if anything, spend your keystrokes defending Toransky.

Good luck with that one, by the way.

Wrote becourteous on page 11:

Sen. Toryanski, you DIDN'T have to vote for it. Other prolife Senators had the backbone to vote "no" because they knew it was a bad bill. Not only did you vote yes, you actively supported the bill. This is one of those tests of leadership....are you going to be lead around by the nose or think about the issues and stand by your vote?
If correctly reported, your comments seem to say, "I'm still in favor of the bill. I just wish I had kept a lower profile during the debate so people couldn't refer to my actual comments." Sorry, Senator, you have to own this vote. You can't downplay it now.

Wrote bluNorange on page 11:

Dan, as a D18 voter you were justified. This is going to haunt him against a tough re-run vs. (former Democratic Rep. Branden) Durst.

Wrote Cliff Dweller on page 21:

Popkey is a hack for the Democrats in Idaho.

Wrote MrPeabody on page 21:

If you have not listened to the audio of the interview do it now. Wow. Durst should just play that as his campaign commercial. It was like when I was a kid and my parents knew I had done something bad but I was making up a crazy story on the spot to try to get out of it. And instead of telling me they already knew that I did it they let me keep going and going. Thanks for the laugh today. Too bad it really isn't funny.

Finally, a lyric from IdahoFathersDay on page 12:

Here's a little diddy to the tune of Harlem Shuffle:

You run it to the left
You vote it ultra right

You got your constituents fooled and you think it's alright

Hey Hey Hey Do the Toryanski Shuffle
Hey Hey Hey Do the Toryanski Shuffle

Meeting with Winder & Brandi
Makes you think they like you like candy

But you're about to Lose

Hey Hey Hey Do the Toryanski Shuffle
Hey Hey Hey Do the Toryanski Shuffle

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Here's another vote for no, Dan Popkey did not overstate the role of Sen. Toryanski in advocating for SB 1387.

Whew! Crisis of self-confidence is over

Seriously, Dan, your blog post made me think of Stuart Smalley.

I deserve good things. I am entitled to my share of happiness. I refuse to beat myself up. I am an attractive person. I am fun to be with. And gosh darn, people like me!

Of course, I don't believe for a second you were ever worried about whether you had mischaracterized a politician, which is why I ignored your appeal to readers to vindicate your reporting. I can believe, however, your ego needs bolstering from time to time.

Mitch, buddy is that you!

The break will give you some time to regroup your flip-flops.

Readers verdict?

About as respected as the jury's verdict in the O.J. Simpson trial. Look in the mirror Danno - your head is swelling.

I don't blame Dan for asking

considering how much crap he gets every time he posts something that's other than glowing about a Republican, I think asking for reader opinions is a reasonable response.

Toryanski, did you get your military training in N.Korea?

SB 1387 is the GOP RAPE bill - Be proud buddy.

(GOP = Greasy Obscene Penetration)

Mitch buddy ... Do us all a favor and please stop serving this wonderful country founded on principles and concepts you will never be capable of understanding. Your are an absolute disgrace and failure Mitch.

And you my dear are....

a moron.

I agree and flag accordingly

Crop and give tet 10 you screwy maggots


"foreignoregonian" is not anonymous

It is my identity and my philosophy

Would you prefer everyone to be called 'Poster'?

PP rape mill

Planned Parenthood mandates pre-abortion ultrasounds for all abortions including transvaginal ultrasounds in the early stages of pregnancy. In as much as they are the largest provider of abortions in the nation, I guess that also means they are the largest rape mill in the nation according to your definition of an ultrasound. That should overwhelm you with pride.



"foreignoregonian" is not anonymous

It is my identity and my philosophy

Would you prefer everyone to be called 'Poster'?

Cliffdweller and Poolboy are the same person.

Does that still count as two naysayers?

Go Ask Sybil


You fry wants with that?