Idaho's Rep. Labrador says Romney should discuss how LDS faith shaped him, but not stray into theology

First District GOP Rep. Raul Labrador told a national TV audience Sunday that likely GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney shouldn't attempt to mediate concerns about Mormon theology.

Appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday as part of a panel on religion and politics, Labrador suggested Romney talk about his work as a missionary and as a bishop and stake president. Moderator David Gregory asked Labrador, who also is LDS, whether Romney should squarely address "discomfort" with theological concerns. Some evangelicals question Mormonism, even labeling it a cult.

Said Labrador: "Well, he should talk about who he is and what formed him. And I think he discusses missionary work. I was a missionary for two years in South America. My son-- my oldest son is now a missionary in South America. It's one of the most formative things that you can do in your life.

"It informs who you are for the rest of your life. I think he could talk about that. He could relate to the people that he has taught as a bishop. He was a bishop and a stake president in the church which means that he actually dealt with a lot of different issues dealing with poverty and other issues. He should talk about that a little bit more. But...I mean, you shouldn't be getting into the theology because every church has a different dogma, a different teaching. And... we shouldn't be judging. Our constitution tells us that we shouldn't be having religious tests."

Labrador made his third appearance on the show Easter Sunday.

He also critiqued the Obama administration for its controversial contraception rule, saying, "There is an attack on religious freedom at this point."

Labrador also blasted MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell for "just saying some really nasty things about the Mormon religion...that it was based on some guy just waking up some morning and deciding that he wanted, that he had and extramarital affair and that's how the religion was founded."

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Can we convice you too?

"It's one of the most formative things that you can do in your life."

"It informs who you are for the rest of your life"

"we shouln't be judging"

It is however okay to judge the target as YOUR religion, your way is wrong and you should listen to my religion.

EVERY missionary is "judging" the nonmembers- by default.

His statements show his ignorance. Par for the course. Par for someone who thinks they are so right as to go to a different culture and convey they are wrong.


Is there ANYONE who thinks positively about missionaries? Other than your own of course?

You'd have to ask

the 200,000 or so converts per year what they think about the missionaries, I suppose.

Other than religion

I think the public wants to know more about how Mr. Romney can keep his religion and religious views out of policy making and decision making. After all, this is not a 'Christian' nation... it's a secular nation.

Disagree on the Christian

Disagree on the Christian nation comment - so would the people that escaped England to settle this land.

Disagree or not...

The U.S. is indeed a secular nation - as are France, The Commonwealth, Germany, etc. You can be a member of any religion to be a politician or work for the government in the U.S., but the U.S. government itself espouses no religion. That is what a secular nation is... it isn't the religion of the majority that is the nation, it is the government of the nation.

The US may have been (and

The US may have been (and continues to be) morphed into a "secular nation" as we seek to play the political correctness game to a great degree - but it does not have secular roots - far from it. Our government and its laws are built on a foundational Christian religion that is there for anyone to see...

The Puritans

The story we are taught in America is that the Puritans were persecuted and sort of forced to leave England. The story from the other side is a little different, and seems to fit more with reason: the Puritans were extreme fundamentalists surrounded by English Protestants... they were shunned because they were cultish and their neighbors were tired of them. Of course, being England, the group couldn't set up well in the kingdom controlled religious landscape, but that wasn't their biggest problem. Like the early followers of the LDS church, the Puritans were basically a pain for whomever they happened to live near. So, the U.S. may have had early settlers from a particular cult, but the nation itself is not a Christian nation... it is a nation of all world religions. Just because a majority exists does not imply it is the way things are here. Remember William Penn.


The country is noble and accepting of all religions, but the country was founded on judeo-christian philosophies. The majority of Americans are believers in God. The laws and constitution of our land were developed with a religious basis. Why is "In God We Trust" on every coin or bill? But people are trying to change that and secularize the country, unfortunately.

What Judeo-Christian philosphies were those?

And I can't believe you played the 'In god we trust' stuff...destroys any credibility you may have on this subject. Did you know the first time it appeared on money was the Civil War, and for the most part it disappeared until the Cold War when it reappeared as a way to differentiate us from the godless commies? Maybe it is time we remove it.

"No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government." Neil Peart

probably will soon

I'm sure it will be removed sooner or later, unfortunately.

Who cares if it was the civil still demonstrates the influence of religion in our government and society.

There is a huge difference between influence and intention.

There is no question that religion influences many politicians and policies.
There is no question that the United States was not intended to be a Christian nation.

To deny either is to ignore the facts of the situation.

"No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government." Neil Peart

common ground

Poet, I think we agree. The US was not intended to be a Christian nation in the sense that it endorses Christianity. All I was trying to say is that it is a Christian nation in the sense that most citizens are Christian and that Christianity has influenced policy. The US was always intended to be a place where citizens could practice religion according to the dictates of their own conscience, where people can worship how, where, or what they may....or not worship at all if they choose.

Yes...on that we can agree.

"No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government." Neil Peart

You're correct...

The U.S. government needs to stop cowtowing to the religion in this society. It needs to do aways with any and all religious ties - of any sort. What in the world does "In God We Trust" have to do with anything the government does? It doesn't. Religion doesn't help build roads, provide for the common defense, make budgets, provide immigrants access, or anything else. The government is a machine run by the people. Let's do away with all religion in all levels of our government... and become more of the ideal of what we can become.

England was...

Settled by Vikings. Does that make England a Norse god following country? Before the Vikings there was a lot of paganism in the southwest and what became Ireland. Does that make England a pagan nation? Things change. People change. Opinions change. You can't go around labeling the U.S. in 2012 based upon the prevaling religions of Europe in the 1600's. Futhermore, if you really want to go that way... the North American continent was inhabited by up to 5 million aborigines before the Europeans came over and waged war and genocide against them... does that mean our nation is actually founded on the gods of Native Americans? Things aren't always what they 'were'. The best thing is to dump religion from attachment to government and come clean.

Point us all to the part of the Constitution where Christian

religion is woven into our DNA as a nation. No religious test, check, no establishment of religion, check...
Just where the heck is that 'Christian nation' line anyway????

Our nation's founding has far more influence from the Enlightenment, than it does from any bible.

"No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government." Neil Peart

Good point...

But the prevailing view of Christians in the U.S. at this time is that "the U.S. is a Christian nation." - R. Reagan. This preposterous line was also repeated during the presidencies of GH and GW Bush. It is a very dangerous and disconcerting viewpoint. It borders on nationalism. And as we all know, nationalism is how dictators come to power.

That's a dumb question

Romney will do it the same way every other president has done it.


you need to become better educated as to the teachings of that cult. Their everyday life is guided and manipulated. That is a big concern. Do yourself some in depth readings by those within and who have left that cult.

I guess I'm so brainwashed

I just don't see it the same way you do. I taught their "cult" teachings for two years, and try to continue teaching by example.

I love helping others, I keep the commandments to the extent I can as a natural imperfect man, paying tithing, fast offerings, and visiting families. I don't smoke or drink alcohol, but do love steak a bit more than I should. I'm generally pretty healthy and self sufficient and have no debts other than a very affordable mortgage. We've been responsible with money and have college funds set up for the kids.

We're not on Medicaid or any other state assistance.

I enjoy mowing our non-member widow's yard on occasion, and yet have never talked to her about the LDS church. I'll get around to it one of these days, probably when she brings it up. I enjoy visiting with our non-member neighbors about emergency preparedness plans. I love getting together with our family Monday evenings and talking about positive, uplifting things; and playing a little baseball afterwards is fun, too. Then it's off to Dairy Queen for a treat.

My underwear aren't magic. Really. They just sit there and cover stuff, but they are sacred to me and I don't take them off and throw them on the floor as I would a pair of socks (weird, huh?)

We go to places called temples and do ordinances for those who have passed on without having the opportunity to do them for themselves. You probably don't believe in that stuff anyway and don't think it has any force or affect, so who cares?

I'm not involved with Amway, and we don't hurt or abuse little kids, or other adults for that matter. We donate to charities, buy girl scout cookies, support our local high school and volunteer at the Red Cross.

We love to fish, hunt, ride ATVs and go camping. Once in awhile, we go to museums and admire the artwork. We employ many people in the Treasure Valley and are attentive to their needs as employees.

We occasionally give money to people holding up signs, and even gave $5.00 once to a guy holding a sign that said, "Why lie, I need a beer." We thought it was great that he was honest, or at least funny!

Let's see, what else? We vote regularly. We join our non-member neighbors for annual July cul-de-sac barbeques. BYOB. So we bring Root Beer. We shop at Fred Meyer and Winco. We buy ICEEs for our kids after soccer on Saturdays.

So, a cult life it may be, but it's a pretty good life. We're happy. It works for us.

Undoubtedly, your life, and whatever cult you belong to, works for you.

sign me up

That sounds so awesome!
I wanna be a part of it too.


So here's my concern,
if there was a group of people who still honestly believed the Earth was flat, would you want their leader to be YOUR leader?

As long as that group's leader

also believed in a flat tax, I'd be all for it.

So how is their everyday life so very different?

What part of their everyday life do you find so concerning? I have lived around Mormons most of my life. Other than their private ceremonies within the church, which I don't really care about. How exactly are they so very different in everyday life? I have my own examples but wonder what you find so troubling.

In theory, they don't drink, smoke, drink caffeine or have premaritcal sex. How else are their everyday activities so very different from mine, other than their different believe system?

Will he be able to?

The headquarters in SLC already have a sort of mind control on Romney. How would this man be able to do something Salt Lake City disagrees with? I don't think he could. When he ran in 2007, the LDS church sent its representatives all the way to London to talk with the BBC and try to say what a great man Romney was. Why would the LDS church do that? One has to wonder. I could see it if his campaign had sent reps over to the BBC, but not the church. Furthermore, this is a man who has tithed millions and millions of dollars to that church. I think there is probably no way he would not be controlled by The Church of Latter Day Saints headquarters. Look what happened to the LDS member in Nevada who put out a calendar a few years ago that the church didn't like... he was not only excommunicated - BYU stripped him of his degree. The LDS church has mind control over its followers... Just like the Church of Scientology.


Church of Scientology.

Now those people are legit!


You've got to be silly to think that religion should not influence people's decisions in public office. Religion is the core of many people's morals and ethics. That doesn't mean Romney would make every US citizen become Mormon....but it does mean that he will support certain policies, just like a jew or a muslim may support the same policies due to common values. And if you don't like those policies then don't vote for the guy. It's as simple as that!

LDS Missionaries don't just

LDS Missionaries don't just "knock doors" and 'bother' people or push their beliefs and to think otherwise is an under-informed position - but a VERY common one. A large portion of what an average 19 year old male missionary will do in the field could simply be lumped under the heading of "service". Assisting people in the community in which they are assigned in a variety of ways.

Sounds really diabolical doesn't it....give me a break.

Bull whacky

my experience is entirely different. Service - lol. You gotta be kidding; its indoctrination.

A better term is...

Loving into the church (or fold).

I understand the "service" aspect, but the number one goal

is to convert. I remember coming across some mormon missionaries in Spain. Yes, they were providing service to the community by offering free English cla$$es...with the Book of Mormon as their text.

P.S. Statesman staff. You need to adjust the filter! Seriously, I can't use the work cla$$es?


My real name is

Bob Hughes (not an anonymous nickname to hide behind).

I'm non-denominational.
I like missionaries; they are always welcome at my doorstep:
Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, Boy/Girl Scouts selling candy, School kids running marathons, as well as carpet cleaners.

It takes a lot of courage to knock on a stranger's door;
who knows who will answer the knock?

Good for you, Bob.

And hopefully you are treated with respect when you tell them, "No thanks," or whatever your position.


What's your address?
I know some people who would like to talk to you.


Come see me at

402 S Forest Glen Blvd
Post Falls

I was just down in Bruneau--
ended up wrestling with a Basque rancher.

But Post Falls is 450 miles from your house, Thank God.

Wrestling with a Basque rancher

So many jokes come to mind...I'll try to resist.

I don't hold Obama's belief in a Jewish zombie against him,

and wouldn't hold Romney's belief in that same zombie and magically disappearing golden plates against him either. Romney's positions (sometimes lack of) and pandering to the extreme members of his own party are reason enough to think him entirely unsuitable to be president.

"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand. Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand-in-hand." Neil Peart

Romney needs ..................

............... to stand up in front of the (prime time)country and explain just what LDS is all about -- what they believe any why . Explain all about the golden tablets - and what happens to them when they die . The women really need to hear all about it .
He wont of course because most of the people that heard it would think he was nuts . It's best if he just keeps it a mystery . I wonder what a blue haired Baptist from Connecticut would think about it ? ....... LOL

Are those beliefs stated as such (the hokie after life stuff),

in the book of Mormon, or is that myth, interpretation of the book...what?

"No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government." Neil Peart

Welcome to Idaho

You're kidding right Poet?

This is serious stuff Poet! If you wanna be in the Celestial Kingdom, you will not refer to it as "Hokie".

See for yourself. Light a fresh one begin reading:

If I'm dead I don't want to be removed from my coffin.


"foreignoregonian" is not anonymous

It is my identity and my philosophy

Would you prefer everyone to be called 'Poster'?

Women have a right to be

Women have a right to be concerned about Romney's beliefs. Especially when women are held in a lower regard than 12 yr old males. Women should not be subservient to males of any age; let alone a 12 yr old simply because its their belief. Likewise, X and y are sealed in eternity but then x and y divorce and remarry and sealed again with the new a and b. So who are they with in the after life. These beliefs are just ridiculous.

Women must be called up to Heaven by the Man

That gives them one heck of a reason to be obedient. And if they are especially subservient they may be given several homes and a few cadillacs to drive.

It's not uncommon for elderly LDS female widows to have one of their sons as their spiritual adviser.


This is a lie and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Not an opinion but a lie.

What is your fear dear?

Did your hubby abuse you??

Women must be called up to Heaven by the Man

That gives them one heck of a reason to be obedient. And if they are especially subservient they may be given several homes and a few cadillacs to drive.

It's not uncommon for elderly LDS female widows to have one of their sons as their spiritual adviser.

You are in error

Do you realized that you are in error? You are. Maybe you work for MSNBC. They are in error and fabricate lies against most that is good in the USA. Are you part of the solution or just a commen part of the problems. Sounds like you need to study and find out the facts rather than spread you bumper sticker quotes around trying to discredit folks. See how ridiculous your quotes are. And to think that you actually have people on this site that believe your ridiculous quotes. How can this be. Were you a missionary that knocked on their doors and converted people to your ridiculous beliefs???

You did not preface that message with three high pitched tones!

If you feel you have reached this message in error please test your connection or reboot.


"foreignoregonian" is not anonymous

It is my identity and my philosophy

Would you prefer everyone to be called 'Poster'?

what a joke

This is a complete joke. Most of you guys have no clue about the Mormon religion, other than obviously what you read from who-knows-where. Are Mormons different? Yeah....but different isn't necessarily bad. Sure there are some kookoo ones. But you find kookoos in any religion or any group of people. For the most part they are kind, caring, productive members of society. It's amazing how much ignorance there is out there regarding the religion.

The Ignorance May Be on Your Part

Many of the "secrets" of the church are written in the three additions to the Bible and are not subject to question by "outsiders". They are given many secret commands in the Temple including marriage commands for the man and woman given in the light of prophecy.

read them all

I've read them all and studied them all and the temple is not anything secret to me.

Listen, I'm a big believer that everyone is free to choose how they want to worship, or to not worship. I've got many friends of all faiths, and I'm sure if I really wanted to I could google search anyone's belief system and find all sorts of dirt on them. But why? What's wrong with respectfully disagreeing with someone's beliefs? How is my choice of religion going to affect you? If you're afraid that Romney's religion is going to affect you if he's president, then don't vote for him. But trust me, Romney's religion is not going to affect you any more than Obama's religion affects you. They are both Christian. Whether you like it or not, their religions aren't all that different.

Yo "Eagle Wing" maybe you

Yo "Eagle Wing" maybe you should pull your head of of your bible and educate yourself on the real world we live in.

The U.S. Constitution is a secular entity..!

It begins,"We the people,"and contains no mention of "God" or "Christianity."

Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as, "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust"and "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

the Declaration of independence's purpose was to "dissolve the political bands," not to set up a religious nation.

The presidential oath of office, the only oath detailed in the Constitution, does not contain the phrase "so help me God" or any requirement to swear on a bible.

America has never been a Christian nation.

Only christian evangelical zealots whose radical revisionist bible and its leadership falsely imply to its believers that America is a christian nation.