Supporters of Idaho ultrasound bill press for hearing; Chairman Loertscher noncommittal

Six supporters of Senate Bill 1387 drove from Sandpoint to Boise to lobby for the bill.

After a 10-minute hallway conversation with House State Affairs Committee Chairman Tom Loerstcher early Tuesday, they remain frustrated that the bill has yet to receive a House hearing.

"We came 500 miles," said Judy Howrey, board chair of the Life Choices Pregnancy Center in Sandpoint, which offers free ultrasounds. "We want to find out about the meeting and why it was canceled."

Loertcher canceled a hearing on SB 1387 last week, after objections were raised in a closed-door Republican caucus.

"There is no hearing scheduled," said Loertscher, R-Iona, who was headed to his office for a private meeting with two prominent backers of the bill, Kerry Uhlenkott of Right to Life of Idaho and Julie Lynde of Cornerstone Family Council, the Idaho affiliate of Focus on the Family.

Will he schedule a hearing before the Legislature adjourns? "I don't know yet. We're going to visit."

Mary Vail, another member of the group from Sandpoint, said she has trouble understanding why the bill was able to pass the Senate 23-12, only to stall in the House without even a hearing.

"All the bill does is require an ultrasound," said Vail. "But they don't have to see the results."

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Government doesn't do medicine

I thought the bill stalled because the Republican legislature discovered that they should not be practicing medicine.

No it

No it stalled because it's an election year. If the Republicans had courage of their convictions they would move forward with the bill...

Oh

Yes of course, it's clear that the majority of the people of Idaho do not support this terrible bill. You are correct, the supporters of this bill should be voted out of office for sure. Thanks for your take.

ironically

it's because it was an election year that it was brought forth in the first place. That backfired on them.

Once

you have the private meeting with the two lobbyist Tom, will the minutes of that meeting be made public, since it is state business being held at the "peoples" statehouse?

Should they never be allowed to have a private conversation?

?

Let them

have their private meeting at the Arid Club, not at the statehouse and on other taxpayers time and expense.

It is not their job to meet with the public at the Capitol?

Really? I thought that was an important part of their job. I would rather have them meeting at the Capitol where you can see who is coming and going than the Arid Club. Do you really mean to imply that you should only get a private conversation with a legislator if you can afford to wine and dine them at private clubs?

I am completely against the Right to Life and Cornerstone position on this issue, but I still believe they have a right to conversations with legislators.

I guess the question then

would be, will Loertscher give equal time to opponents of bill 1387 in a private meeting? If something as important as this legislation is going to be discussed behind closed doors with chosen individuals, then it might as well be opened back up for hearings and votes. Transparency and openness has been a major problem with the last several legislature sessions. Time for the backdoor politics to end and time for the legislators to start conducting their business in a manner that gives all residents of Idaho an equal chance to be heard.

If it sits and dies then he certainly HAS.

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More cliche crap. Get real!

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"Two Prominent Backers" aka Two Lobbyists

Evidently, Mary Vail has not followed the legislature much. Does she think this is the first time a bill has passed one chamber only to languish in the other?

Instead of letting the "pro-life" lobbyists intimidate them into passing the bill without much in the way of questions, it appears some members of the House actually reviewed the details of the bill and noticed how poorly it was drafted.

No..it's an election year.

No..it's an election year. It has nothing to do with reviewing the details of the bill and noticing how poorly it was written! They passed the Luna laws without reservation or review !ast year. Here's a little truth serum...they only care about padding each other's pockets and making sure people stay stupid enough to keep voting them into office year after year....in spite of their bad legislation that just keeps trampling our liberty and rights!

Very possible...

Elections are always part of the mix. However, if they are working on amendments to the bill that would indicate they have actually read it and are trying to remove the problem areas, wouldn't it?

She didn't bring Vicky with her?

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No..it's an election year.

No..it's an election year. It has nothing to do with reviewing the details of the bill and noticing how poorly it was written! They passed the Luna laws without reservation or review !ast year. Here's a little truth serum...they only care about padding each other's pockets and making sure people stay stupid enough to keep voting them into office year after year....in spite of their bad legislation that just keeps trampling our liberty and rights!

No..it's an election year.

No..it's an election year. It has nothing to do with reviewing the details of the bill and noticing how poorly it was written! They passed the Luna laws without reservation or review !ast year. Here's a little truth serum...they only care about padding each other's pockets and making sure people stay stupid enough to keep voting them into office year after year....in spite of their bad legislation that just keeps trampling our liberty and rights!

No..it's an election year.

No..it's an election year. It has nothing to do with reviewing the details of the bill and noticing how poorly it was written! They passed the Luna laws without reservation or review !ast year. Here's a little truth serum...they only care about padding each other's pockets and making sure people stay stupid enough to keep voting them into office year after year....in spite of their bad legislation that just keeps trampling our liberty and rights!

these folks just want more business

This bill is unnecessary. 300 people rallied against it last night.

We Came 500 Miles...Boo Hoo

The MAJORITY of the people in this state do not support this bill. Let it go and don't let the door hit you...

Enjoy your drive home

"Six supporters of Senate Bill 1387 drove from Sandpoint to Boise to lobby for the bill."

Should have saved your gas.

Should've kept going to JACKPOT.

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Mr. Popkey, how is it the Right to LIfe lobbyists don't file?

I was looking for lobbyist reports for Right to Life Idaho, Kerry Uhlenkott or Jason Herring but found nothing. How is it that these green tags are down at the Statehouse on a regular basis pushing a number of bills and don't file?

Am I missing something? Do they register under another name?

Take your pick,

of names for Uhlenkott. She has violated Idaho laws under Kerry, Karen or Karren.

What laws has she violated?

Other than the lobbyist sunshine laws...

She was guilty in the court of Judge Dredd.

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Look it up

on the Idaho Repository site. Feel free to use all first names.

Like this one? You'll love Obamacare

Both SB 1387 and Obamacare lead us to healthcare controlled by government. These medical matters can only be the concern of patients and their medical professionals. Turning any part of that over to the government is a very, very slippery slope to elected automobile dealer and accountants making medical decisions. Is that who you want deciding medical treatment for you?

yes!

Especially for your undiagnosed bipolar illness.

You write worse than I do.

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government practicing medicine

I agree that there is no role for government to start dictating medical practice. That would seem to be the case in the current bill about families deciding to prolong end of life care on patients that have been determined by an MD (and most likely an ethics committee) to not warrant further care. If I understand it correctly, the government would insist that care be given based on the family's wishes and not the medical consideration. This is not the role of government, and sometimes families are not realistic in the face of impending loss.

I do see a role of government in setting up procedures to insure that proper consideration has been given in these end of life decisions. Thus the mis-named "death panels". I see nothing wrong with a group of medical experts making determinations in the continuation or withdrawal of care in these difficult and emotional circu-mstances. The doctors, ethicists, and other non-government experts decide.

And I see this as totally different from the wrong-headed idea of the government making a woman, who is seeking an abortion, have an ultrasound which was not ordered by a health professional. In the end, only health care professionals should be practicing medicine.

500 miles

Just because you drive 500 miles doesn't mean you get your way. Enjoy the sites on your way back home.

"All the bill does is require an ultrasound," said Vail. "But they don't have to see the results."

Um, then what is the point except to waste more money!

I do not want the Government involved in my healthcare (of ANY type). The decisions made for my body are between me, my husband and my doctor. Allowable expenses will be covered by my insurance company(through my premiums) and the rest will be covered by me. No one else needs to be in the mix.

An educational trip

I hope the folks from Sandpoint learned something from their trip: Idaho has a bicameral legislature, meaning that just because something oozes through the Senate doesn't necessarily mean the ooze will be quite that simple in the House (and vice versa). My sense is that Rep. Loertscher is already giving the pro-lifers waay more attention than they deserve. But he is more politically savvy than many of his colleagues who knee-jerk support SB1387, which is a travesty of good governance. Nothing a behind-the-scenes caucus could do will save this horrible waste of legislative resources. The legislature needs to stop being so eager to impose the antiquated "pro-life" agenda upon a voting public that so obviously does not want government intrusion in something as personal as an abortion choice. Women are not stupid. If they believe an ultrasound is necessary, they are fully capable of making that decision without a government mandate.

I would drive 500 miles

and I would drive 500 more
just to be the one to ultrasound
and beg you pretty please for just one more

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State Rape Bill

So let's say your little girl gets date raped by some savage punk when she is 15 yrs old and gets pregnant. This bill requires an ultra sound if it is decided to terminate the pregnancy. Most likely it would have to be the invasive trans-vaginal one. So your little girl gets raped again but this time by the entire legislature! This why I have called this the "STATE RAPE BILL"

Why don't you narrow minded, fundalmentalist, pig headed jack wagons do those of us who actually live in the 21st century a favor and STAY HOME next year?

But that's just MY opinion, I could be wrong.

I think you have more fantasy than rhetoric. CHILL, HAPPY MAN

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Maybe some should

be called "moron". Get it?

Sorry, it's Tuesday.

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