Idaho ultrasound mandate bill dead for 2012; Right to Life vows to return in 2013

UPDATED, 1:20 PM with Right to Life news release and additional comments from Chairman Loertscher

Right to Life of Idaho President Jason Herring said the group will continue to fight to limit abortions in the 2013 Legislature.

His entire news release follows:

"Due to the misconceptions about SB 1387, the complexity of the issue, and the lack of time left in the session, we have decided to pull Senate Bill 1387 to work on concerns with plans to bring it back next year.

"We want to commend the diligent work and efforts of Senator Chuck Winder and Representative Janice McGeachin, as well as Senators Curt McKenzie, Sheryl Nuxoll, Steve Vick, Shirley McKague, and Representatives Brent Crane, Gayle Batt, Vito Barbieri, Reed DeMourdaunt, Paul Shepherd, Judy Boyle, and Carlos Bilbao.

"Senate Bill 1387 protects a woman's right to view and a child's right to be seen. Children in the womb cannot speak, cry, vote, text, email, phone call, or petition their government for redress of grievances. But children in the womb can be seen if we allow them. They deserve the right to be seen just as every woman deserves the right to make a fully informed decision about abortion. Women cannot make a fully informed decision if they are kept in the dark about the reality, visibility, and humanity of the life growing and developing within their womb.

"This debate is far from over. And we are committed to the passionate pursuit of truth and justice for Idaho's women and children -- our future generations."

Earlier posting, with fresh material from Chairman Loerscher at the bottom:

House State Affairs Committee Chairman Tom Loertscher said Tuesday morning -- after meeting with key lobbyists supporting the bill -- that the controversial measure is finished for the year.

"We will not be scheduling a hearing on it," said Loertscher, referring to Senate Bill 1387, which would mandate an ultrasound before a woman could have an abortion. Loertscher supported the bill. "The big problem that's been identified, or at least one that they haven't been able to get in front of, is the mandatory ultrasound."

Loertscher met with Right to Life of Idaho's Kerry Uhlenkott and Julie Lynde of Cornerstone Family Council. He said he offered to help them with the bill in 2013, if he's reelected, and that he advised them to remove the ultrasound mandate.

"The path forward from here is to hold off until next year and make another run at this in probably a little different way," Loertscher said.

Loertscher said he's concerned Idaho's informed consent law, which requires women to be given state-prepared brochures about fetal development and other material, could be undermined by a legal challenge if the ultrasound mandate were included.

"We already have an informed consent law that's enforced and it's a pretty good law," he added. "We certainly don't want to do damage to that. They (Uhlenkott and Lynde) agreed that's probably prudent."

Loerscher also said the Legislature's push to adjournment this week made amending the bill impractical.

He said one amendment he'd heard about -- though not seen in writing -- would have removed the mandate. Instead, physicians seeing women considering abortions would have to inform them of the availability of free ultrasounds, which are already offered by abortion foes at seven clinics in Idaho.

"The whole issue was clouded by the mandatory nature of it," Loertscher said. "The part about the heartbeat was problematic, too. This is a topic for another day and another Legislature."

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So the bill was aborted?

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Sometimes you make a bad choice and later have to make a really tough decision that might be the best thing you can do for yourself and other people.

Imagine if Winder and the supporters didn't have the opportunity to change their course of action.... What if it was, "sorry, you are committed to this one. Consequences be danged. Btw you won't get reelected and other things will be overturned so the end result will be worse."

Frozen

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Hmmm

Did it get a state mandated but privately funded ultrasound first?

Good news!!

Thank you, Chairman Loertscher.

Good campaign pitch for Loertscher's opponent

"...said he offered to help them with the bill in 2013, if he's reelected..."

Dead for 2012

That pretty much sums up the entire cranial capacity of both house and senate.

But that's just MY opinion, I could be wrong.

NO!

You are not wrong.

Let's take a poll on his signature ;-p

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And another thing

This year it was decided that the public, that would be us registered voters,will no longer have access to our elected officials with out a verifiable appointment. OK then ALL LOBBYISTS SHOULDB BE TREATED THE SAME WAY!

Why does MY tax money pay for lobbyist office space in the (expeteive deleted) Statehouse!!!!

But that's just MY opinion, I could be wrong.

Don't worry, you are.

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lobbyists pay for their own space

If I remember correctly, lobbyists rent that space at the Capitol. I couldn't agree more on the ridiculous "lockdown" policy Speaker Denney instituted.

Rent to Occupy Boise lobbyist space

Would love to see them in the same area where our legislators are getting rewarded for their PAC work.

? Do you know what space we're talking about?

The space that the lobbyist group rents is for them to hang their coats and bags, keep coffee and snacks, spend time between hearings, etc. Legislators don't spend time in there...except a few who stop by to bum coffee and a cookie.

As with all groups there are good and bad lobbyists. I'll bet one lobbyist or another represents an interest you care about.

The lobbyists pay a few

The lobbyists pay a few dollars in rent. That hardly pays for the cost to the taxpayers of the space. The lockout of non-lobbyist citizens should be a major issue in this year's campaign -- do the Republicans really want to defend the idea that lobbyists have free access to their legistlators and citizens do not?

Oh Boy!

Something to look forward to next year! More of our tax dollars at work and another dog and pony show to keep the lobbyists happy.

Where's your candidacy?

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we don't need it

We do not need similar legislation creeping up again next year. As Loertscher said, "We already have an informed consent law that's enforced and it's a pretty good law," he added. "We certainly don't want to do damage to that. They (Uhlenkott and Lynde) agreed that's probably prudent."

DUH. Why beat a dead horse over and over and over again?

Esto desde Muerte

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Vote 'Em All Out

I just hope enough people have enough sense to vote out anyone who supported this waste-of-time bill.

Doubt it though.

They just see R and pull the lever (anyone remember Sali?).

Good!

Now go home.

I don't have an iThang, padre

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OVERWHELMINGLY

Idaho women want the option of abortion and no invasion of their privacy.

The right-to-lifers will have to work another year on how to pick up state contracts to monitor an invasive government mandate they want to create.

And the lives inside of Idaho women

wouldn't mind having an option, either.

And speaking of invasive government mandates....I'd rather not buy health insurance OR have to pay a fine if I choose not to, thank you very much.

Should we go ahead and grant

Should we go ahead and grant eggs rights too? Just because it hasn't been fertilized yet doesn't mean it doesn't have the right to. All women should be constantly pregnant to maximize the rights of these haploid cells.

You already have to pay for health insurance, if you have any income that is. You pay taxes for Medicare and will use it as soon as you are eligible, if you aren't using it already.

Wait! I just realized...

We haven't heard from any of these unborn "lives"

If they're so opposed to this why aren't they testifying and speaking out?

Oh, they don't have a voice? Then they don't have any rights either. Kinda like cats and dogs. Can't speak, no vote.

We would rather not pay for your emargency room bill either

But we that have insurance and pay taxes don't have that choice, do we? Because you think every bozo that isn't insured shouldn't be mandated to purchase insurance. How to you justify that I pay for your healthcare if you "choose not to"? None of which has a thing to do with the ultrasound bill, by the way.

Still can't figure if...

You're an Optimist

or a Toastmaster

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Isn't it amazing how fish

Isn't it amazing how fish and legislators both smell after being around toooo long! The smell now would indicate they should have left three weeks ago.

Spin from Right to Life lobbyists

Ha! The Right to Life lobbyists have released a statement saying they have decided to pull the legislation. Nice spin! But wait...wasn't this supposed to be Sen. Winder's bill? Sen. Nuxoll? You mean they were just carrying water for the Right to Life lobbyists? It wasn't really their bill? I'm shocked!

That's OK. This will still be a huge Right to Life fundraiser and they will be back to fight the fight again next year. Mission accomplished.

I think the right-to-lifers

Were shown just how much Idaho women back abortion rights.

I think the right-to-lifers

Were shown just how much Idaho women back abortion rights.

First line in the article says it all

Right to Life of Idaho President Jason Herring said the group will continue to fight to limit abortions in the 2013 Legislature.

Why can't these people seem to get it through their heads that nobody needs anyone else restricting the choices they make. The anti-abortion crowd can cry all they want about it but abortion is, and will continue to be, legal. No matter what your opinion on abortion the fundamental issue is still CHOICE. Don't like abortion don't have one. But don't try and cram your ideologies and religious views down the throats of those that have different views and want to preserve their right to CHOICE.

This is not a Right to Life

This is not a Right to Life or Pro-choice issue. It is an issue of keeping government out of our private lives. Didn't I read that if the doctor can't determine the age of the fetus, he/she has to do an ultrasound because the age has to be on the "form"? Women who have decided to have an abortion aren't going to change their mind because they see an image on a monitor. They have already weighed the pros and cons of what they are doing. It is nobody elses business!

So do they really think that

So do they really think that women are "in the dark" about what is going on in their womb?? REALLY? Sheesh. It won't matter what you show a woman, if she has made the choice...the choice is sticking. You won't change it. The woman herself has to live with the choice she makes, NO ONE else. If you don't like her decision, get over it. Simple as that.

Remember these names

Senator Chuck Winder, Representative Janice McGeachin, Senators Curt McKenzie, Sheryl Nuxoll, Steve Vick, Shirley McKague, Representatives Brent Crane, Gayle Batt, Vito Barbieri, Reed DeMourdaunt, Paul Shepherd, Judy Boyle, and Carlos Bilboa.

Please printout these names...

and post just before the next election since many voters have short memories.

It will be to their demise

It will be to their demise if they attempt to bring this issue back next year. It's time for new blood in the legislature. Go back to your ranchettes and retire..you've done enough damage the last two years to last a lifetime.

it isn't necessarily dead

In the same way that Rep. Cronin attempted to pull the bullying bill out of committee onto the House floor, this bill could be pulled onto the floor, too.

However, it would require a 2/3 majority to do so, and Clark Corbin of the Times News, I think it is, said he had heard that 20 Republicans spoke against it in caucus, which would be more than 1/3 -- if they actually voted that way.

They could try it, but it is unlikely

Considering the caucus discussions, I don't think anyone who tried to call for the bill on the floor would be any too popular among their cohorts. It could always happen, but I don't think it will.

Opposition

In terms of the voters remembering who supported this bill...I have a feeling the opposition will make sure they do. I hope there is someone running in each of these races. Even Sen. Winder will have a write-in opponent now that he decided to carry this insensitive and extremely unpopular bill.

Hang right to life already.

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