Federal official warns wolf killing law could return predator to threatened listing

A federal wildlife official said Monday a bill that would allow ranchers to use live bait to lure marauding wolves to traps or shooters would make Idaho’s laws to protect wolves inadequate.

Brian Kelly, the Idaho state supervisor for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, told the Idaho Statesman that the bill, introduced by Terreton Republican Jeff Siddoway, would reverse a decade of work by the state and federal government to protect wolves and rancher interests. The major problem is that it allows people to kill any wolves within 36 hours of harassment of their livestock or family pets without approval of the Idaho Department of Fish and Game.

“What I’m telling people is anything that compromises or usurps the process or the management through the peer reviewed plan of the department is a problem for us and we’ve been pretty clear about that,” Kelly said.

The bill was approved by the Senate Resources and Environment Committee and sent to the floor for a vote. But it has been held from a vote at the request of Siddoway until March 1. It would allow anyone whose livestock or family pet was killed or harassed by wolves to shoot them from airplanes, use night scopes on rifles or even lure the wolves in with live bait within 36 hours. Then they can get a 60-day permit from the state.

Once approved and signed by Gov. Butch Otter, anyone could petition the federal government asking for a relisting under the Endangered Species Act. They would have a strong argument that Idaho laws no longer provided an “adequate regulatory mechanism” to keep wolves from heading back toward extinction.

“We’ve spent over a decade working through this,” Kelly said.

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These Legislators

These guys just simply do not get it. Their ignorance of the way things have to be done is astounding. It took years to get wolves delisted to this point, and these jokers will undo that in an afternoon. Short-sighted and arrogant.

What was the original goal?

How many wolves do we have now?

Original Goal

The lying libs originally agreed that the wolf population could be managed when it reached 125. As usual, they were lying and used the libtard courts to allow the wolf population to balloon to well over 1,000 - to the point they were decimating the elk herds. Now they're screaming that it's unfair that we want to control the population at five times the number they promised to accept. But why would a group of people who don't believe in personal accountability worry about personal integrity?

This isn't about lying libs

This isn't about lying libs it's about ignorant repubs

ah....

you're a lib then.

Live bait for wolves

There are so many ways this is a bad road to go. But lets look at it in a mirror. What kind of people are we? What kind of person will put a live animal like a domestic species on a chain as bait? Bullying is a bad trait that is exhibited by causing stress, strain and pain on someone or something else. Bullying has often manifested itself through people torturing animals. Who would want to be known as a torturer of animals by causing the fear of a wolf attack to a domestic animal? And don't defend it by saying wolves cause fear in their prey every day, it is not man orchestrated. The natural environment working naturally is what keeps this planet alive. This is an embarrassingly bad bill. There are many, many other reasons this is a bad bill but being a characteristic of bullying is enough.

Live Bait

I can understand the urgency in the first 36 hours. But if the live bait part has to live on in this...
... just leave the live bait out of it.

Bait

Since the wolf population exploded out of the wilderness 7 years ago, all outside pets are "live bait" anyway.

Just something to think about...

Responsible Collaboration

Instead of introducing time wasting worthless legislation why don't these foolish stakeholders work with the Idaho Fish and Game and the Feds to address their concerns? The 2012 Legislative session is really run amok...wolf baiting and free parking at the Statehouse...now there are two key priorities for the State. As a conservative I am embarrassed by the lack of thought and due diligence these elected officials have brought to this year's session. Education, Transportation, Taxation, Economic development....focus people.

Enjoy the Ride...there is no return ticket.

Collaboration?

There is no collaboration with these kooks. They are a bunch of ignorant idealogues. I understand exactly why Fisher resigned as Director of OSC. What thinking, educated, reasonable person would work with these guys who know nothing but bullying?

When did you last

get with your representative and tell them what to focus on? These are very much high priority issues for some and honestly, it is the ones who put effort into their causes that get heard.

So, if you want more effort into something else, then go to the Statehouse, put in some money and effort, and get it on the agenda. Otherwise, save your crying about responsibility for election day and make certain you put in the right effort to get them voted out.

They have on the agenda what has been asked to be put there.

Burn the barn down to kill a rat?

Even as one who didn't support wolf reintroduction I find this to be the dumbest idea yet.

"Bait"

Live bait, huh? Tether a sheep out for the wolves, or what? Is someone keeping an eye on the "bait", or does it become a tasty treat? I would think the Humane Society would be all over this one.

PETA

http://www.peta.org/action/action-alerts/URGENT--Oppose-Bill-Allowing-Use-of-Dogs--Cats-as-Live-Bait-.aspx

Humane Society

https://secure.humanesociety.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=5393

Honestly

I'm not a wolf fan. But if they really go down that path, stake out Siddoway first. Then he can write a book on what it felt like with a front row seat. ( no gun of course )

Wouldn't work

Wolves are smarter than that. They wouldn't eat or even be attracted to anything as rotten as Siddoway. Only District 35 Republicans are that stupid.

do you think

the animal would actually know it was being used as bait?

Not saying the practice should be allowed, but I doubt most dogs would know they are being used as bait vs just being tied up like normal.

do you think

Maybe the concept that "dogs should be tied up is the normal", IS part of the problem.

Some dogs require some restraint for various reasons...

It sounds like you're one of these addled folks who can't figure out a lot. Meet a rat terrier or other small breed. Any breed will teach you a lot.

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Dogs as bait

Dogs are smarter than that and it is inhumane to use them as live bait.

okay to use sheep as live bait...

but not a dog.

Got it! Thanks...we all now know where we draw the line.

Where you sit is where you Stand!

Again, here we have a family attempting to keep his livelyhood going....he is loosing his livestock..he is desperate......the enviros did not think about this problem when they said only 150 wolves or breeding pairs in state and then they locked it up in the courts to get us to over approx 1000 wolves at this time......I am not in agreement with this rancher, but I understand him....... we will continue to have low numbers of Elk, Deer, etc......as long as these animals are roaming the state....no matter how many we kill.....it is a proven fact..and domestics will continue to be a killed...wolves are a top of the food-chain predator, and they will continue to multiply hunted or not....the heavily treed landscape is in their favor.......it is in their genetics to continue on.....

Red herring

If this was really about the Siddoway's livelihood, he'd be more worried about weather, disease, and coyote predation, followed by bears (Idaho has ~20,000 black bears) and cougars (ID has ~3,000) and wolves. Idaho hunters have killed about ~320 wolves thus far this season, bringing the count to ~700. Idaho has approx 100,000 elk -- same as we had in the 1980s before wolves.

bigger world of hurt for him

when wolves are re-listed. As much as I hate to see elk numbershurt by wolves, I do think the 300+ wolves that have been taken this year is sufficient considering delisting is a pretty recent thing. The very WORST thing that could happen to domestic critters and ungulates in the state of Idaho is to have wolves back on the list.

Loosing livestock

http://www.predatorfriendly.org/how-to/how-to-pdf-docs/Using%20Guard%20Animals%20to%20Protect%20Livestock.pdf

Elk and wolves

Going back to statistical information in Idaho, statements leads to facts that they have been having population problems due to
Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease (EHD)
2003-White tail deer, mule deer and pronghorn antelope were identified, but did not mention elk. http://www.rense.com/general40/kling.htm

2008-White tail Deer, mentions mule deer and Elk, but they said they were not impacted to a significant degree. They did not give statistics as to how many were lost, and stated that the white tails will develop immunity and pass it to their offspring, yet this did not happen, showing the history of 2003 and 2008. Wildlife managers requested to be called, if hunters and landowners find sick, dead or dying deer, but once again, does not ask to be called if they find sick, dead or dying elk.
http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/media/viewNewsRelease.cfm?newsID=4589

2012-White tailed deer, mule deer, bighorn sheep, elk and pronghorn mentioned
Once again, it has been brought up that white tailed deer populations have been killed by the thousands by epizootic hemorrhagic disease,

Disease of Elk

Infection of the fetus
A puzzling aspect of the spread of serotype 8 BTV in northern Europe is the overwintering of the disease. Animals will recover between the end of the midge season in autumn and the beginning in spring, so it is believed that the virus somehow survives in overwintering midges. Researchers at the Institute for Animal Health (UK), has however offered an alternative hypothesis.[18] Three cows that had recovered from bluetongue the previous autumn were exported from the Netherlands to Northern Ireland in January 2008. In February, these cows gave birth to calves that were found to be carriers of the disease. If BTV is capable of transplacental infection of the ruminant foetus, this would be a plausible way for it to overwinter. Midges will then spread the disease from the calves to other animals, starting a new season of infection. Based on this finding, it is advised to pay special attention to newborn animals in an effort to eradicate the disease.
It was previously believed that only special lab-raised BTV were capable of transplacental infection. Experiments on sheep in the 1970s[19] showed that such infection would result in abortion or weak or deformed offspring, with some offspring carrying the virus in their bloodstream. Such damage to the offspring was also seen for the calves born in Northern Ireland.
Any wildlife manager study this as to how it may relate to elk?

Disease to sheep

"Infection of the fetus
A puzzling aspect of the spread of serotype 8 BTV in northern Europe is the overwintering of the disease. Animals will recover between the end of the midge season in autumn and the beginning in spring, so it is believed that the virus somehow survives in overwintering midges. Researchers at the Institute for Animal Health (UK), has however offered an alternative hypothesis.[18] Three cows that had recovered from bluetongue the previous autumn were exported from the Netherlands to Northern Ireland in January 2008. In February, these cows gave birth to calves that were found to be carriers of the disease. If BTV is capable of transplacental infection of the ruminant foetus, this would be a plausible way for it to overwinter. Midges will then spread the disease from the calves to other animals, starting a new season of infection. Based on this finding, it is advised to pay special attention to newborn animals in an effort to eradicate the disease.
It was previously believed that only special lab-raised BTV were capable of transplacental infection. Experiments on sheep in the 1970s[19] showed that such infection would result in abortion or weak or deformed offspring, with some offspring carrying the virus in their bloodstream. Such damage to the offspring was also seen for the calves born in Northern Ireland."
Any ranchers study this as to how it may relate to sheep?

Low numbers of Elk, Deer

Going back to statistical information in Idaho, statements leads to facts that they have been having population problems due to
Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease (EHD)
2003-White tail deer, mule deer and pronghorn antelope were identified, but did not mention elk. http://www.rense.com/general40/kling.htm

2008-White tail Deer, mentions mule deer and Elk, but they said they were not impacted to a significant degree. They did not give statistics as to how many were lost, and stated that the white tails will develop immunity and pass it to their offspring, yet this did not happen, showing the history of 2003 and 2008. Wildlife managers requested to be called, if hunters and landowners find sick, dead or dying deer, but once again, does not ask to be called if they find sick, dead or dying elk.
http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/media/viewNewsRelease.cfm?newsID=4589

2012-White tailed deer, mule deer, bighorn sheep, elk and pronghorn mentioned
Once again, it has been brought up that white tailed deer populations have been killed by the thousands by epizootic hemorrhagic disease,

Guarding Livestock

http://watch.montanapbs.org/video/1496470213/

What are you talking about and how does it relate to reality?

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I was not a fan of Wolf Reintroduction

But just to prove how stupid these guys are, I hope the bill does pass and the wolf gets re-listed. If they do pass the bill and the wolf is re-listed, all I have to say is happy hunting wolves.

Not to worry

Not to worry, if it can be screwed up. our legislators will screw it up....I wish I could still hunt, I'd shoot my limit, then have a wolf BBQ for the hood

give me a break

Not to worry----- get a life. I raised sheep for 20 yrs.in the middle of coyotes and never lost an animal nor did I shoot a coyote. I knew they were there and lived with them. You should be able to protect your livestock from predators. But for God's sake this brings out the worst in people.Take wildlife management out of the hands of politicians, hunters,special interests and ranchers. Safari Club Int. dumped $400,000 in Alaska and $200,000 in Montana in support of wolf hunts. Place the responsibility on wolf biologists and intelligent wildlife managers with a goal of healthy ecosystems not dead animals and happy hunters.

coyotes are not wolves

Apples and Oranges....not even close....coyotes totally consume what they kill......wolves sometimes do but in most kills that I have seen.....small amounts have been eaten, and yots dont go near them...they train their young in the spring.....its in their genetics...sport kills. This is just one of reasons why our ancestors got rid of them.
Oh and most wolf biologist are in the same boat as the defenders of wildlife...yes they do look at all aspects of the environment but this does not usually include the hunters......lock it up in the courts again!