Boise State defensive tackle Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe reinstated by NCAA after receiving $13,600 in benefits from host family

By Chadd Cripe
ccripe@idahostatesman.com
© 2011 Idaho Statesman

Boise State sophomore defensive tackle Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe has been reinstated by the NCAA and is eligible to play Saturday against Air Force, the NCAA told the Idaho Statesman on Wednesday. Boise State confirmed that Tjong-A-Tjoe will be available to play.

Tjong-A-Tjoe served a six-game penalty and still must repay the value of his impermissible benefits — $13,600, received from “a host family, which included Boise State boosters, both prior and after enrolling at the university,” the NCAA said. “These benefits included housing, meals, gifts, school supplies, travel, vacation, among other items.”

Benefits can be repaid over time.

The statement from the NCAA says Tjong-A-Tjoe was reinstated “with conditions.” It’s unclear if there are conditions beyond repaying the benefits to charity and missing six games.

Tjong-A-Tjoe is senior Billy Winn's backup and usually plays extensively. He returns at a time when starting tackle Chase Baker has missed two of the first six games and is questionable this week.

"He's definitely a big part of our defense and we're always glad to have a player back," junior tackle Mike Atkinson said of Tjong-A-Tjoe. "He's been working hard still. He didn't give up."

Tjong-A-Tjoe's case was the last of three involving Boise State players from Amsterdam resolved by the NCAA. The NCAA student-athlete reinforcement staff made its decision Tuesday.

All three players played high school football in Boise and stayed with host families.

Senior safety Cedric Febis served a one-game suspension for “recruiting violations and impermissible transportation” and repaid $20.

Sophomore wide receiver Geraldo Boldewijn served a four-game suspension for receiving $700 in impermissible benefits, including use of a 1990 Toyota Camry and driver’s insurance coverage.

Boldewijn’s benefits also came from his host family, according to Boise State. Those family members are not classified as boosters.

The source of Febis’ benefits has not been identified.

The violations in all three cases were secondary and no major case proceeding will result, according to Boise State.

The case began on Aug. 23. The NCAA called Boise State and informed the school of alleged violations involving the Dutch players. Boise State was directed to investigate and did so immediately. The NCAA has not said how it learned of the violations.

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I have this feeling...

I can't help but think that all three of the Netherlands boys are being punished because their foreign exchange host families treated them like family members and not like indentured servants.

Also, while I realize that the NCAA isn't the court system, the concept of announcing the punishment (a six game suspension) after the fact seems to be a bit lacking in due process and transparency.

I'm not even going to contrast this to the lightning-like speed at which the NCAA worked to resolve Cam Newton's case.

AMEN

!!!

Foreign Exchange

So apparently the kids weren't foreign exchange students, but, rather, attended Boise high schools on an academic visa. Nonetheless, they lived with their host families and, as at least one of the players has said, felt like they really became part of the family.

The question that gets asked in NCAA investigations is "Did the individual receive benefits that were not available to other students because he or she was an athlete?" Perhaps a better question would be "Why did the individual receive the benefits?" Seems to me that in this case, a pretty good argument could be made that they received what they did because their hosts had a close personal relationship with them and treated them like family.

Rules are rules, of course, but they ought to be fair. There is much in the NCAA rulebook that is utterly unfair to the "student-athletes", but very advantageous to the institutions that rely upon their services.

The relationship with the host family isn't the issue

The issue is that the host family has a business relationship with the Boise State Football program.

You can rationalize it anyway you want, but the fact of the matter is that they received the so called bennies because they were playing football for BSU. If it weren't for them playing football for BSU, they wouldn't have been living there. Right?

Nobody likes this, but it is what it is

relationship with the host family

it is what it is silly statement a ncaa violation host family please do mot do it again you know better

TBK -- It is not what it is

TBK, the whole issue here is that the kids did not come here to play for BSU specifically. Some actually went to play elsewhere. They came here as minors, lived with families, as common sense dictates, and then were criticized when family members treated them as family members.

That just isn't right.

Cuhulin -- it IS what it IS

"It's a dream for them to come over here and get the chance to earn a scholarship," said Dutchman Floris Mendonca, who brought 10 players to the Boise State football camp this summer after he joined Febis at the camp in 2005. "If they stayed in Amsterdam, (college coaches) wouldn't see them. The most important thing for them is to have the chance to go out and fight for a scholarship. You never know what's going to happen."

"I went home after Cedric and I came here and met these kids," said Mendonca, now an assistant coach at Boise. "They wanted a chance to play overseas, over here, so I said, 'Yeah, OK, I will help you.' "

Capital coach Todd Simis and Boise coach Bob Clark said they met Mendonca at the BSU camp and heard rumors that some of the campers wanted to play high school football in Boise. "The rest is history," Simis said. "We met them and they were interested in making it happen. Floris was really instrumental in bringing these kids over and helping them through everything."

"About a month before they even thought they were going to be able to come here, I told them, 'It's probably not going to happen for you guys,' " Clark said. "I didn't want to get their hopes up because things were moving kind of slow.

http://www.afbn.org/page.php?id=584

Cuhulin, ss you can clearly see, it IS exactly what it IS. They were brought here by a BSU contact to play football for BSU. That was the primary goal, but please don't get me wrong. I'm all for stuff like this, but the planning got sloppy when Mendonca or somebody set them up to live with BSU Boosters. As far as the things are going slow remark, that was made by the Boise High football coach indicates that football coaches and football boosters were involved in bringing them here to play football. If it weren't for football, none of this would have happened, but again, it IS what it IS.

If things would have been handled better, the guys wouldn't have been suspended. We should all be glad that the ncaa didn't lump this into the LOIC charges and really stick it to us.

Is what???

You are quoting Mendonca, who you claim was a 'contact' with Boise State at the time in question. Is that what you call every high school coach that brings kids to camp?
You are also quoting two high school coaches (Capital, Boise) who discussed the entire process of bringing the kids over here to play HIGH SCHOOL football.
Another Dutch player went to play at another university, but has not been investigated. Curious. Others are not playing at all...
Not exactly sure how you infer that the primary goal was to play football for BSU.
Sounds to me that the goal was to play football. If LSU thought these kids were Tiger material, and
schollied them up, would there be any issue whatsoever?

Figured this

is how it would shake out.

It's good to have him back.

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"tfunk.....should we take razors 21 and peel him for a round of golf" -Wiz

This proves the NCAA is an anti-family fraud

This entire decision is outrageous and proves the NCAA claims of "student athletes" is purely fraudulent.

A minor moves to the US and, consistent both with common sense and US law, moves in with a family. The family houses him, feeds him, helps him with school, and, horrors of horrors, takes him on vacations like a family member! Just because the family, like other Boise families, supports the Broncos, these are impermissible benefits?

Does the NCAA now propose that students be homeless?

How would this be any different if the "host family" were his parents?

A lineman from Florida

who was homeless received a two game suspension for benefits received from a non-profit organization. Muschamp the Gators coach was crazy mad over that. The NCAA is lost in it's own mess.

And the Gator coach was right!

SLCBronco, thanks for bringing that up! This isn't just a Bronco issue -- it's an NCAA issue.

Prior Compliance Department

It's clear that the misinformation from the ncaa to compliance or from compliance wasn't just relayed to coaches but also host families as well.
It's ridiculous that the penalties come down to people who didn't even know they were violating rules.

Why is everybody always pickin' on me?

Boy Howdy - did the NCAA screw that kid over, or what?

and all he did was receive impermissible benefits — totaling $13,600 - for housing, meals, gifts, school supplies, travel, vacation, among other items.

Yeah, that poor kid got picked on and singled out by the NCAA because he is a Bronco and the Lord knows how much people are upset that BSU has grown so fast so quiclky as a National powerhouse in footbal, and some pwople will go to any lengths to set this kid up for failure and to have the appearance of violating NCAA rules.

Yep, he is a victim. No doubt about it.

Broncos, all over the world, should be real mad at the NCAA for doing this to this wonderful kid.

VNDL

PS - No wonder Pete has been quiet like a Church Mouse over this stuff.

So now we see VNDL's true colors!

VNDL, the point is that these should not have been impermissible benefits. The host families were there before the kids went to college and they were just that: families!

Should kids have to pay back the benefits they got from their natural born parents? How about their step-parents, in today's divorce ridden society?

How is this any different?

By the way, I would be saying the same thing if they went to school in Moscow.

Ignore her...

VNDL is a troll (she was drunk and fell backwards out of her sorority onto her head - please be kind to the disabled) who has nothing to cheer for other than her powderpuff team in Mosskow. Achy-breaky and the Vandolls couldn't beat BK this year - so all she has left is her alcohol-drowned bitterness.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

fatbluetoad

Disagree with everything you said except the part about BK.

Prolly true on that one.

Go Broncos.

VNDL

PS - When I was a kid I used to take a bicycle pump with a needle nozzle and put the needle nozzle up the wrecked 'ems of toads and blow 'em up real big, then throw them into the Big Wood River to watch them go down stream.

Possibly I have met your Mom?

yup

The way she put it - it was right after you likkter wrecked'em to get the needle in.

vndl

your post on frogs is much better than your diatribe below:)

B81 - care to articulate?

What is untruthful, or disruptive, in my post below?

VNDL

vndl

your post on frogs is funny, to the point and a fine display of wit & ingenuity. the post below, while perhaps valid and insightful(perhaps)is long & drawn out. i prefer the short ones that give me a laugh.

you're talkin' 'bout frogs is offensive!

Give us a break.

Whatever I was trying to say I'm too tired to figure...

Too tired to post...good night I'm not getting confused when I shouldn't.

Cuhulin

The point is not about whether or not they should be impermissable benefits or not. I did not write the NCAA rules and neither did you. They are considered to be impermissable by the NCAA is al I know.

The BAA has posted in the past (not in response to the current mess with the Dutch Kids, but a long time ago) the do's and don'ts for Bronco Boosters. Apparently it has not been read nor understood by very many Bronco Boosters in the past. I am thinking that has changed dramatically in these past few months:

http://www.broncoathleticassociation.com/ncaa-donor-guide/

The point is that NCAA rules were broken by Bronco Boosters (no matter how well intentioned) and a Bronco Player (no matter how unwitting). I understand Bronco Players (as most NCAA athletes do) must read and understand what is a permissable benefit and what is impermissable and some are even required to sign a statement that they understand what they have read. I do not know if BSU goes that far with the players as part of their schollie paperwork process, or not. Possibly tfunk could weigh in at this point and clarify if BSU requires it or not.

To clear the record - none of the 5 Dutch kids that originally came from Holland Summer of '08 to the Bronco Camp and stayed on in Boise to play football in high school for their Senior Year were in Boise as 'Foreign Exchange Students'. They were here on F-1 visas issued by the State Department.

The NCAA has no purview about what transpired or didn't transpire between the players and their 'so-called 'host families' when they were in high school - so all this high school days talk is moot and just a bunch of extrazneous garbage. The rub starts when the players signed a Letter of Committment (called something like that, I think) to attend BSU. That is when the NCAA rules begin. Apparently, the booster families did not know the rules, and were probalby well intentioned, thinking they were realy doing something noble and good for the kid and BSU football. I don't think anything evil happened. I do think Bronco Boosters at that tme ('09) were not as saavy then as they are now about what a Booster can and can't do.

Yes it is a hard lesson for the Boosters and the player to learn. BSU has grown rapidly as a National Powerhouse, but the fans and Boosters have not kept up the same pace and learning curve as the Bronco Athletic Department.

Is this a sad thing - yes. I am just glad he has been reinstated.

Was it avoidable - maybe (depends on if the kid really knew what was and wasn't permissable or not). Also, there is a language barrier or so a good Defense Counsel would argue, lolol. Did that barrier play a role. Probably.

The key is not for us to get out in the weeds over this issue, as it has been adjudicated and resolved. The key is to learn from it and for all Bronco Boosters to learn, in depth, the rules of how to interact with players. And the players gotta learn how far they can go in getting bennies from Boosters. They got some responsibility for their own actions, too.

I think the learning curve for Bronco Nation has been steep and fast - which is a good thing in the long run.

Go Broncos.

VNDL

NCAA sanctions

Thank you VNDL for an appropriate review of situation. The short of the matter is BSU probably dropped the ball in educating boosters or Gene just didn't care. Live and learn.

if the truth were known.....

I suspect that the host families, directly or indirectly, inquired as to what was and wasn't allowed. I think that Gene gave out some bum info and the kids paid the price. That, and his ignoring the first notice of possible violation by a female coach, got him fired. When the Compliance office went under Dr. Kustra's supervision he asked if there were any more problems he needed to know about. The temporary head of Compliance found out about the benefits for the Dutch kids and Gene saying all was okay, but wasn't sure. He checked with the NCAA who then contacted the school to investigate. Because the NCAA couldn't very well tell the temp. Compliance man to fire Gene they called Kustra and got the job done. Could be all wrong, but could be all right. We'll never know, perhaps.

frog99g - you are all wet

You forgot the part about an anonymous caller contacting the NCAA between 18 Aug and 23 Aug and reporting the violations to the NCAA, who then on 23 Aug contaacted BSU and directed BSU conduct an internal investigation.

You forgot that part.

Your theory does not hold water.

When you learn the facts and specifics, get back with us concerning your theory as to what happened. Might listen to you then.

VNDL

VNDL, help me out here...

are you saying that my timeline is wrong or that the anonymous caller wasn't taken into account.
The timeline, I believe is correct. Kustra took control of Compliance last spring and hired additional staff and a new director. The "events" that got the Dutch kids in trouble took place in '09-'10, before they enrolled at BSU but after LOI signings. During that time Gene could have told compliance to look the other way, that no problem existed as he told Amy Christofferson the same. The NEW people in compliance may have had their doubts about the "benefits" and checked with NCAA as anonymous callers or the NCAA just spun it that way to protect them.

The point is exactly that they should not be impermissible

No, neither you nor I wrote the rules -- I know I would never have written them that way, since I support people having families.

What happened when the kids were younger is not "extraneous garbage", unless you intend to treat people as robots, not people. These young people came and became part of peoples' families, maybe not in the technical legal sense that you seek to employ, but in the very real sense of how people live.

That should be the purview of the NCAA, not legalistic garbage, and not some rationalization saying "he broke the rules". The point is that the rules are wrong (as in right versus wrong).

I don't see the point in arguing for the NCAA here. It isn't QQ to say that the organization should be changed or dumped.

Here's "The Parents Guide to NCAA Rules" from Stanford

I'm not sure if BSU has one of these or not.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/stan/genrel/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/Parents-Guide-to-NCAA-Rules.pdf

I think his true color is green

he in the BAA, upped his BAA membership a week ago, owns a couple of Bronco Stock, and participates in this forum as well as the lunches at the RAM, so I'd say that his true color is green because he seems to put that color where his mouth is.

The issue is that the kids were living in those houses for one reason and one reason only. FOOTBALL. Had it not been for that, they wouldn't have lived there. End of story.

We don't have to like it or agree with it, but it is what it is

Kid

I think you're a little off on "the kids were living in those houses for one reason and one reason only. FOOTBALL."

Was the possibility at playing college football the main reasons these 3 came to the US? yes. They also could have easily been math majors and had host family. In-fact there are far more families hosting non-athletes than there are hosting athletes. To say that the ONLY reason they had host families was because of football is just flat wrong.

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"Nickie Boy in a bit of Twobleee right now.." - Wiz

funky, if you're going to play devils advocate

at least be creative with your argument

Kid

Not sure about "devils advocate" but your statement was false.

It's funny, when those kids showed up here, they were considered FCS prospects at best. But you have getting host families only because of football. Kinda dumb if you think about it.

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"The promies I regret is giving him back his mint Mickey Mantle for the torn/tattered Brooks Robinson I conned him into trading (wasn't hard to do)....." - Wiz

Funk

they could have gone to just about any school in the entire country if the main intent was getting an education at an american university, and out of all their choices (which would have been practically innumerable) they just happened to pick Boise State University above all the rest?

If that's the case, I'm not buying what you're selling. You and I both know that they came to BSU because they had a BSU connection (Floris Mendonca) that steered them here and set them up with host families. Now I'm just guessing about that last part, yanno, about being set up with host families. Since that's just a guess, I'll give them them the benefit of doubt and suggest that they each found their host family via Boise Craigslist or Z Idaho or the thrifty nickle or something and that they found those families on their own and had no help whatsoever from BSU affiliated Floris Mendonca. If that's the case,isn't it somewhat strange that they all just happened to stumble across host families who turned out to be BSU BAA Boosters? Believing that would kinda dumb if you think about it, would it not?

As far as them being FCS prospects, well yeah, of course that's what we're being told now, but c'mon, we know better than that because nobody goes to that much trouble to bring FCS calibre players to america to play FBS football for one of the top football teams in the country on the premise that they came for an education.

As far as education goes, sure... that's very important, but so is having that education paid for. I'm not saying they're dumb football players because I know for a fact that theyre not. Febis has already earned his degree in political science and is working towards another in communications, so yes, education is indeed a driving force, but lets not lose sight of why these kids had to suffer. The suffered because they're football players and rules were broken.

Kid

Until two years ago, Mendonca's only connection to BSU was that he brought 10 players (at the time he was coaching in the Netherlands) to a BSU summer camp (he had previously attended the camp as a player with Febis) He assisted 5 players come to Boise, two which were Geraldo and Tat. Mendonca then got a job coaching at Boise high school. None of the five were considered D1 players at the time (search the Interent, this is true). In fact Tat had had only one season of organized football prior to arriving at Boise High. Two years ago Mendonca get a job a BSU as assistant video coordinator (big time job). So we've established that Mendonca's affiliation with Febis is that they attended a BSU camp together as players and that's it. We've also established Mendonca assisted 5 players get host families in Boise of which 2 ended up at BSU. The other 3? we know one is at Idaho, the other 2 I'm not sure. I guess the question is, if we are to believe, that BSU set this all up and the 5 were brought here to play football "only" and to eventually sign with BSU, what happened to the other 3? As you say "nobody goes to that much trouble to bring FCS calibre players to america".

Could it be that the 5 wanted to play football in the United States, had been to Boise and decided this is where they wanted to give it a try. Could it be that 2 of the 5 turned into pretty good but raw football players That decided to stay "home" to play football for the same reason a Nick Patti, or a Jay Ajayi, or a Kellen Moore comes to BSU. Could it be that these 5 were no different than any of the other thousands of foreign students that come here for school every year....................

Or could it be that a Netherlands football coach who once attended a BSU camp as a player and who later chaperoned a group of Netherlands players to another BSU camp, somehow got a secret hand-shake to bring 5 of them back to boise, set them up with BSU boosters as host families with the expressed intent that they would sign with BSU and become star players......

I don't know maybe you're right.............

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"I'd say only 99.72 %........ .28% don't wear Hoodies...." - Wiz

Wasn't my intent to engage in a long drawn out discussion

When VNDL and I had lunch last week, the Dutch topic eventually came up and at one point VNDL said something along the lines of, just watch, Bronco Nation is going to act like victims over this. Well, based on the comments in this thread, he was spot on.

It all comes down to the fact that the host families were BBA members. Nothing else really matters. It was wrong and suspensions were handed out. End of story. What's sad is that the players are the ones who had to pay the price for their mistakes.

kid

The rules were broken and the Broncs need to pay the piper.

My only point was that BSU didn't set these players up, nor did the players get host families only because of football.

I agree with you on the players. The school really let them down on this deal.

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"Do you carry the big load of keys from your belt loop or does your Podner??" - Wiz

Funky

what I said was this... "You and I both know that they came to BSU because they had a BSU connection (Floris Mendonca ) that steered them here and set them up with host families"
I've said something else that you keyed into please let me know, but I'm pretty sure all I've brought up was that there was a "connection" to BSU.

tfunky

the main reason, and perhaps the only reason they came to the US, was to see if they could earn a football scholoarship. Read this quote from Mendonca...
"It's a dream for them to come over here and get the chance to earn a scholarship," said Dutchman Floris Mendonca, who brought 10 players to the Boise State football camp this summer after he joined Febis at the camp in 2005. "If they stayed in Amsterdam, (college coaches) wouldn't see them. The most important thing for them is to have the chance to go out and fight for a scholarship. You never know what's going to happen"

Funky - They came here for football camp. They stayed here in hopes of landing a football scholorship. BK and Boise High football coaches were involved. The kids played high school football for those coaches. The plan was that Boise State football coaches could watch them play high school football, be impressed with them and offer them a football scholarship. In order for their football dream to come true, they needed a place to live while they went to school and played football. The homes in which the kids were placed in, just happened to belong to Boise State football boosters. As you can see, it was all about football.

you said you agree with me on the bum deal that the players got and that's cool, but you added that the school really let them down on this deal. I don't think BSU let them down at all. BSU was just doing what they were forced to do. The people who let them down were the people involved in bringing them here and providing a place for them to live. They failed to due their due diligence as far as ncaa regulations are concerend. They never should have ben placed in the homes of football boosters. As such, I think BSU is probably just as disappointed about all of this as us fans are.

BTW here's the Mendoca link- http://www.afbn.org/page.php?id=584

Mr. 't'

Don't forget the part where Menonca was a coach for Boise High in 2008:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/09/14/1798500/resolution-could-be-near-for-three.html

" . . . The players, who are not exchange students, were required to obtain academic (F-1) visas, pay Boise School District tuition, meet eligibility requirements for the Idaho High School Activities Association and find host families before they arrived in mid-August of 2008, according to the Statesman story."

Mendonca became an assistant coach at Boise High in 2008.

You always seem to forget to discuss the real important stuff.

Why is that?

VNDL

PS - "Before they arrived in mid-August of 2008 . . . " This is laughable, they were already here living in Boise following the Bronco football Camp middle end of July '08. Somebody has their wires crossed. Maybe reporters can only write what they are told and assume to be the facts and the truth.

Yup

While highly touted high school recruits were sleeping on floors of teammates, BSU was busy setting up living arrangements for 5 kids that had never played a down of football in America.........

Makes sense to me.......

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"Arnie & Smokes...Tiger & Nook...thats the deal" - Wiz

why

why do you keep saying BSU set this up? BSU didn't set anything up. Mendoca, with the help of HS coaches and several others are who set all of this up, and it appears that they did everything correctly with the exception of placing the guys in the homes of BAA boosters. Why are you being such a drama queen about this?

Kid, let's read your

own words together
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they could have gone to just about any school in the entire country if the main intent was getting an education at an american university, and out of all their choices (which would have been practically innumerable) they just happened to pick Boise State University above all the rest?

If that's the case, I'm not buying what you're selling. You and I both know that they came to BSU because they had a BSU connection (Floris Mendonca) that steered them here and set them up with host families. Now I'm just guessing about that last part, yanno, about being set up with host families. Since that's just a guess, I'll give them them the benefit of doubt and suggest that they each found their host family via Boise Craigslist or Z Idaho or the thrifty nickle or something and that they found those families on their own and had no help whatsoever from BSU affiliated Floris Mendonca. If that's the case,isn't it somewhat strange that they all just happened to stumble across host families who turned out to be BSU BAA Boosters? Believing that would kinda dumb if you think about it, would it not?

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What exactly are you implying.......drama queen?

nowhere does it suggest that BSU set it up

Mendoca was the go between. I said he was BSU affiliated because by it's definition, it means 'being joined in close association' He's the one steered the guys to BSU. He's the one who registered the guys for the BSU football camps. He's the one who worked the BK and BHS angle and helped get teh kids into those schools. He's the one who was in the ear of bsu coaches, saying look at these kids. He's the one that appears to have been the driving force. HE is the connection. He connected ALL the dots between Amsterdam and Boise Idaho. He, Mendosa, he's the one who set this whole thing up, and it cost those guys lost game time and what basically amounts to a monetary fines. He made some big mistakes. he screwed up, but it's the players who ended up paying the price for his mistakes.

Now that we've read it together and read my reply to it, hopefully you'll be able to comprehend it a little better. If not, then I 'll say it once again and I'll even type it really slow and in caps so you can hopefully grasp it ...

B S U....D I D N ' T..... S E T...... T H I S..... UP

...and yes, you're being a drama queen about this whole thing. Nothing I am saying has changed. In fact, I have no idea what your issue is or why you're dead set on continuing this. Maybe I don't get what you're implying. Are you implying that I'm saying that BSU set this up? If so, how in the world could you possibly think that after all these posts back and forth?

Here's an idea, lets just drop it here and pick it up at the ram. maybe we'll have a better understanding of one another in a live discussion because we aren't getting anwhere here

TheBrontosaurusKid

Yes, you got it !!!!!

Yahooo!

Finally somebody gets it !!!!

The entire thing was to get kids to improve Boise high school football. That is why Mendoca got a job as an assistant coach for Boise High.

BSU was out noting in the deal. If the kids were a flop - nothing lost - if the kids were good - then BSU could go thru the normal recruiting jprocess.

I said about 3 weeks ago on these boards it was about the high schools and NOT BSU and I got hooted aat derisively attacked. Especially by Mr. 't'. I even said it was strange to see their pics with the Amsterdam Crusaders playing on the field and how much older they looked and physically developed than normal American high school kids.

The 'cheating' did not start with BSU - it started with greedy and coniving high school coaches.

There is absolutely NO WAY IN HEl! those Dutch kids could have gotten an application for an F-1 visa thru the INS process in 3-4 weeks. The entire thing JUST HAD to HAVE BEEN planned long before the 'kids' got on a plane and flew to Boise for the Bronco Football Camp.

How old are the Dutch 'kids' really? We know they played with grown men on a European Adult football League team. There are pics of them on the internet and I have posted several links to those pics. No way were these really just 'high school kids' when they got here - no way.

The high schools are the complicit little weevils - not BSU. Where BSU erred - and it wasn't really that BSU erred - it is more like some Bronco Boosters got enamored with helping the 'kids' and did not follow the NCAA rules - which left BSU in a lurch and holding the violations bag.

The new compliance person is gonna have to really work hard at educating Bronco Boosters about the do's and don'ts of dealing with Bronco athletres. Just having a couple links on the BAA web page, ain't gonnna cut the mustard anymore.

My wife asked me an interesting question I don't have an answer to, but I am sure Mr 't' knows the answer, as he is a 'expert' on everything. Here is the question:

If the Boosters are bound to follow the NCAA Rules, what sanctions get levied against them if they break the rules and the school and the athletes pay the price? What ever hapens to the Booster who violated the NCAA Rules? How can the university make the Boosters comply?

Excelent question really.

Okay Mr. "t" - posssibly you have an intelligent and well reasoned anser to this question, as I really don't know the answer, as the university nor the NCAA has any real authority and/or jurisdiction over the Booster.

Go ahead, Mr. "t" - fire away.

VNDL

VNDL I don''t buy your angle either

This had nothing to do with improving high school football here. High school and high school football were simply a means to an end. It was all about creating a situation in which the players could play high school ball here and hopefully be noticed by the BSU coaching staff and offered scholarships. Nothing more and nothing less.

Good question about the boosters though. I'm not sure what, if anything, happens to them

vndl nation boosters

they need to be redflagged

TBK- This booster president - high school maybe???

Remember Mendonca had been in Boise with Febis in '05 for the BSU Football Camp and went back to Amserdaym to 'coach' football with the Amsersterdam Crusaders.

Mendoca, I believe put together a situation where he brought 10 playrs to Boise Summer of '08. Prior to the camp, I thhink he arranged with several high school coaches in the Boise area for thee kids to play at Boise high schools. The high school coaches were the ones who found the kids 'homes' to stay in and made the arrangements. The applications for F-1 visas prolly were submitted to the INS in the January/February time fram and that is how the 10 players gained entry to attend the BSU Football Camp, to begin with (remember - F-1 visas are for academic pursuits only - noth athletics).

One of the comments on the BroncoCountry.com thread about this situation is very telling.

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aakjaa Newbie
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Posted: Yesterday 10:07 PM

RE: Ricky's back!

" . . . the family who took in TAT and his 1 other companion from across the pond certainly had great financial means....the other two who stayed w/the other family didn't enjoy the same financial opportunities...but can GUARANTEE BOTH of those familys had no preconceived notions of arranging any of the kids to play for BSU....none of them had even heard of the boys prior to the high school coach and booster president making calls to the various familys looking for roofs to place them under... The player who is playing for Idaho stayed w/the 2nd home...and for all intense purposes didn't receive the items TAT did...therefore there wern't any issues. Now don't get me wrong....naturally any and all of the BHS football parents were very hopeful that ALL of the Amsderdam kids would be able to play for BSU...
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This is an interesting quote from that post:

" . . . none of them had even heard of the boys prior to the high school coach and booster president making calls to the various familys looking for roofs to place them under . . . "

It basically sez that Mendoca and the high school coaches conspired to get these kids to Boise to play high school ball. I think 5 of the 10 players did a great job at the BSU Football Camp and stayed in Bois after the camp to go to Boise high schools. Todd Simis, head coach at Capitol High, sort of alluded to that in one of his interviews.

Either way, I dhon't see BSU specifically bringing these players from Amsterdam, in a premeditated manner for them to play ball specifically at BSU.

I am curious where the money came for the playrs to attend the BSU Footbal Camp registration and fees and required equipment and travel costs, plane tickets, lodging, and etc.

I think there is waaaay more to this story than meets the eye. But, I do not think BSU ever arranged anything with any 'host families. It was the high school coaches that did that, I think. AND - it is not against the IHSAA Rules to have done so. The high chool coaches broke no laws and/or rules and/or policies by diong all this stuff. They were simply being creative and Mendoca did all the work, really. Remember Mendoca was a coach for Boise High when this was going down. How did he become an asst coach at Boise High? and Why?

It is interesting how fast Mendoca got canned and his BSU academic schollie was taken away about a month into the new Fall Semester. Something happened behind the scenes that was prollly really really serious and Bronco Bob and Coach Pete want to distance themselves from Mendonca, as soon as posible.

It also, appears as though 2 of the 3 families the kids lived with in high schol WERE NOT BSU boosters. So - whatever the NCAA violations were, it can't be rationalized away that it was from something the 'host families' did that was in violation of the NCAA Rules. It has to be something else (Bouldewijn - $700.00 and Febis - $20.00. Only one, Ricky TAT, stayed with a 'host family' that were Bronco Booseters and that violation was supposedly $13,600 worth of NCAA rules breaking. I don't think BSU was involved in it in any way. I think the Boosters and Ricky TAT were the ones with sticky syrup on their hands.

Unfortunately BSU is getting blamed. I also think this is a HUUUUGE reason why Gene is not with us any more as BSU AD. Somethhing happened that was very very very serious - Mendonca got sent down the road and his schollie pulled a month AFTER the semester had started - Gene got canned - Bronco Bob prolly has done a great job in trying to do damage control.

VNDL

PS - I said in my post that I had no foundation or factual anything to support any 'premise' and that it was just a guess on my part. It is not an angle that I am selling, either. It was simply a guess, based on the very limited information that ANYONE of us has. I cannot help that you read into my post what was not there.

PPS - See you tommorrow at the Ram. Also, I will bring a copy of 'Death To The BCS' to loan to you to read, as we discussed a week ago.

Dude

You need to get a job with TMZ Sports......

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