Idaho rates last in Internet connection speed

Idaho was rated number one again and once again it’s not a victory, especially for a state striving to make its agriculture and high tech industries competitive.

Idaho was ranked the slowest state for Internet connections by Pando Networks , a company that specializes in measuring connection speeds. Idaho’s average download speed was rated at 318 kilobits per second with a completion rate of 83 percent.

Idaho edged out its neighbor Wyoming with an average download speed of 346 KBps and a completion rate of 83 percent. With Montana and New Mexico added, four of the top 10 were in the Intermountain West.

Rhode Island had the fastest connections with 894 KBps. All four coastal neighbors, Washington, Oregon and California were among the top 15.

The news comes the same day the Idaho Water Board approved spending $2 million to study building the Galloway Dam, which has no obvious funding sources. To be fair Idaho has spent millions over the last decade to increase broadband into its rural areas.

And having a big wilderness and roadless area in the middle of the state makes it harder to pioneer new infrastructure into any rural areas.

The Pando study was based on tracking 4 million Internet customers nationwide from January to June.

Internet connectivity and speed

This is a real issue for our State. The 21st century economy will depend on information flow. From rural healthcare to manufacturing to the plans for technology in education, it all depends on bandwidth and connectivity.

We also are in real danger of a further rural/urban gap. That was addressed in part in the past by regulation of phone connectivity and charges. Internet? Not so much.

Finally, when companies look for places to grow or expand their business and make jobs they look at a number of things. Telecommunications, available utilities, educated workers, and transportation factor in. There are more than tax consequences to consider for any company looking further than the one year bottom line when relocating.

The federal government as part of ARRA (the stimulus) has planning grants to assist in the expansion of broadband capabilities. Idaho is participating in one, and hopefully this plan will help private industry as well as those of us in the legislature make progress in developing this vital infrastructure.

Rep. John RUSCHE
Dist 7--Nez Perce County

No surprise there

We are near the bottom of the barrel on a lot of other things as well.

CableOne sure doesn't help

Dear God do we have the worst Internet in the US.

CableOne is our "fast" option and they have "super fast" 50 meg connections with only 50 GB included before they charge more!
Even the likes of Comcast give you 200+ GB for a cap.

Awful.
Embarrassing.

If Cable One had ANY competition, they'd be out of business.

Please.
Somebody.
Anybody.

Bring your ISP to Idaho and save us from the garbage that is CableOne.

You could always switch to Qwest soon to be Century Link

and have an even crappier connection.

I was wondering, is it worse? I have heard conflicting reports.

It cracks me up, Cableone is advertising 50 mbps, of course that's with a DOCSIS 3 compliant router. My Guess is they will rarely reach those speeds, might get an avg delivery rate of 12-15 mbps? They have failed to put enough money back into their own infrastructure and have way over sold their service. Also Century Link, aren't they the ones that are now stating they can provide the service to you via cable? So that means that have purchased a chunk of bandwidth probably from Cableone, so further impacting current Cableone customers. All of these providers are run by scoundrels over selling their services and not being able to provide a product as advertised or provide what's being paid for by the consumer.

Works for Me

FYI, I upgraded to the 50 mbps option recently and I do get 50+ except occasionally during peak hours. I bought my own cable modem to ensure full through-put. It works very well for VOIP and all types of music and video streaming. And no, I don't work for Cable One.

Hope you don't go too far

Hope you don't go too far over the pathetic 50 gb cap.
That's pathetically low.

What the crap good is 50GB if you sit there and don't bathe?

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I have concocted many new words driven by my frustration

for the lack of high speed availability here in Idaho. Most of those new words are non-repeatable expletives. My business is entirely based upon having an Internet connection for connecting to customers in Portland, Seattle, Denver, Salt Lake, Las Vegas, Reno and San Francisco. I pay Cableone $100 a month for a 12-mbps business line which is supposed to have no bandwidth caps and a static ip address. They can't get it right, ever. The ip shows it registered to some domain in Topeka KS. I have come to the conclusion there are no longer any "tech savvy" people left in the Treasure Valley. Nobody speaks "tech-speak" in this valley any more. When I told Cableone their ARP cache was poisoned they looked at me like I was speaking Klingon. It's no wonder that Idaho was not even in the running for the new facebook data center. I have as a backup a Sprint hotspot for 4g internet connectivity at 6-mbps when Cableone is only willing to deliver me 1-mbps, although I pay for 12-mbps which I rarely see from Cableone. Face it, Idaho has already been passed up by the surrounding states for any new innovative industries based upon any technology. Your best option is this state is to raise goats or bunnies or work at Sonic. Not that there's anything wrong with raising goats and bunnies, or working at Sonic, however, it's usually not a very lucrative business model, or one that contributes much to the state Tax Coffers. My frustrations I realize are more at the "consumer" level, however, there are other remaining high tech companies in this valley that have had to buy and pay for laying their own infrastructure, as it doesn't exist here. I don't even know if any of the telecoms or cable companies in Idaho even have a SONET net pipe into the internet? I don't think we do? We have really been left behind by the failure of both the political and business leaders in this state. I believe it's because they conceptually can't even begin to understand how this lack of infrastructure has and will continue to affect the bottom line in Idaho.

Well said. Idaho's leaders

Well said.

Idaho's leaders just don't get it.
We are getting left in the proverbial "dark ages" of modern times around here...

The average GOP legislator

doesn't see beyond his haystack and ag subsidy check. They have no awareness of the outside world.

Is it Idaho's leaders' responsibility

or private business (Cable One, Qwest) to bring faster internet?

Depends on the goals of our leaders

If our leaders want to promote business, attract companies that create jobs and increase state revenue, then they should make it part of their policy and agenda. If they would prefer to let private business bring it here on their own without any influence or incentive, then we'll be waiting a long time and remain at the bottom in a lot of categories. Cheap labor only goes so far in attracting businesses.

Idaho's government doesn't have to do crap for your computer.

That's WELFARE junk, so where is Rancher?

(steaming because his adult torrent is stalled again)

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Both

Strong technological infrastructure will require public/private partnerships.

Rape the poor, rinse, repeat.

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Change of address

So I understand, you are moving this month, right?

There are not any "tech savvy" people left in the Treasure Valley. Except gustutus. The LAST one, and he/she must be leaving soon because he/she can't operate an Internet business without the fastest connection.
Enjoy Washington!

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Interesting insight....

I think you mean

In that last sentence, I think you mean "has a hard time competing in the world of internet business with the SLOWEST connection." Some people prefer to keep up with the pack instead of plodding along in the slow lane, pimp. Pretty weak with the standard "guess you'll be moving" comment. Remember that next time you're unhappy with anything - to run away from it.

Weak sauce

I guess Pimp2 will be moving to Mexico because he is sick of Obama...

Syringa Networks

You may wish to explore Syringa Networks for your business needs. They appear have the Synchronous optical networking you desire. As for the lack of technical expertise, that is related to right-to-work. In my field, I can maybe make $30000, if I can find a job, for HW & SW technical support. I can move to Charleston SC, and get a defense contract job for $75000. Idaho gets what it pays for.....

ISP heII

Good luck getting OC-1 let alone OC-768 (in my dreams). They are going to milk their existing infrastructure for as long as possible before investing in improvements (dang!). I guess if they could get enough customers to commit to $10K or more per month for multiple years they might improve it.

HP Chinden had pretty good networking to the external world (gigabit fiber). I never saw the bills but I bet they paid A LOT for that though!!!!

Perhaps the Chinese will come in and invest in improvements (shudder).

Business need for bandwidth

I realize you probably want to remain somewhat anonymous and not reveal your company name, but can you give us some kind of idea of what your business is doing so we can understand the bandwidth need (eg. moving large amounts of video data or huge data-sets for modeling and simulation, etc).

Yes I'm nosy and curious!

Cheers!!

Business != Commercial

If you're seriously using the Internet for your business and you need a reliable connection, you're making a huge mistake using a rebranded residential service. It sounds like you need uptime and reliability that's only going to come from a commercial service that can give you a guaranteed SLA. I think that somebody recommended Syringa. That's the sort of provider you need - and it's going to come at a much steeper price than a hundred clams a month.

Boise ISPs have had SONet connectivity for years, BTW. You're just buying from the wrong one.

Sounds good

Really, how could that be?
[sarcasism]

But gus is the last tech-savvy person in the Treasure Valley. And yet not savvy enough to be getting the right service.... oh wait. That COSTS more.

Maybe Idaho doesn't have the slowest speed, it just has the least # of users willing to PAY for higher speed service.

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I'm pretty sure for the right price you can have what you want- that price can include the cost of not living in Idaho any more.

Good point

Cableone is a residential provider and not a serious business provider.

The question is he willing and able to pay the price for fiber.

My goodness, that sounds like...

you need to fish with Rocky. I'll bet the woodland creatures in Montana have 4GLTE!

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scared

The Rock writes:
"And having a big wilderness and roadless area in the middle of the state makes it harder to pioneer new infrastructure into any rural areas."

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Just another ridiculous Rocky statement.

Dear Watson,

"four of the top 10 were in the Intermountain West"

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duh!
Can you make any other genius conclusion about those 4 states?

No gold medals for us

"Idaho was ranked the slowest state..."

The Statesman writers are also the "slowest".
In a little different context though.

In the spirit of your posts

I guess you'll be moving to a different news source? See ya!
Seriously, if you have so many problems with the writing and reporting, why read it? Where are these issues coming from? Did the Statesman not hug you enough as a child? Did it... touch you? Lose the hate, wanna-be player.

Crap NO! I love you losers, every one! Even flagging the spamma.

Besides, Qwest is still slightly more reliable than my COMPUTER.

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And once again, Idaho is

And once again, Idaho is first in the race to be last. Doesn't say a whole lot of good about our state. Well, at least the country is pretty.

Or is that last in the race

Or is that last in the race to be first. I get so confused on this.

You need a LAPTOP.

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Clear nee Clearwire

People in the TV should look at Clear (formerly Clearwire). I've got the service and it's really fast. They put their wireless transponders on leased space on cellphone towers. Using the McAfee test tool, I'm almost always running at over 2 Mbps. http://us.mcafee.com/root/speedometer/default.asp

The do go "down" sometimes, sometimes when my insomnia has me up at 2 AM. I believe they may do maintenance around that time.

Idaho should act like China and India: go wireless since there's no pre-existing wired infrastructure.

If that is so good, why was there always 1 loser wanting...

to sell their contract on Craigslist, month after month?

(nailed that sucker at least 3x)

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I really have to share this amazing presentation

about the current and future climate of how we will either make money or not in the technology landscape and world we have created. Fortunes are now based upon milliseconds, if we in Idaho are wanting to compete in this new world we will need fast and reliable Internet access. This is a presentation about how algorithms are shaping our world. It was given by Kevin Slavin at the TED conference. Kevin is the Chairman and co-Founder of Area/Code a company that creates cross-media games for cell phone companies and media industries.

It really is an amazing way to view this brave new world all based upon access to distributed systems.

Google "Kevin Slavin TED Conference algorithms" and view the presentation.

Great Talk

Many aspects of his talk were interesting. Loved his use of the "Flash Crash", although I believe someone knew exactly what they were doing there. I have always figured someone programmed an algorithm that took advantage of the high frequency trade algorithms. Even if they knew who it was, there really isn't any regulation preventing this. But his look into the physical realities of location in the microsecond world is fascinating. And I too, wish Idaho would advance itself into improving our technical infrastructure.... But then I look at our political leadership, and I realize we are on the path to making the movie Idiocracy a reality instead...

to be fair

Rocky's comment "to be fair" points out the problem. Idaho has spent millions and we are still last. Is anybody asking who spent it and why we are still last????? Most of the money spent was make 768Kbps available not 1,5,8 or even 10Mbps. John, I appreciate your comments and I am involved but it has been an uphill battle for several years with little or no progress in people "getting it" especially those in the Legislature. I actually sat in a meeting at the Legislature more than four years ago and heard the rep for one of the BIG telecoms tell the Oulook committee that unless they lived within 5 miles of the interstate they could forget broadband. This is one of the "equalizers" of the future and we are LAST. Let's spend money on dams we don't need or can't afford or on suing the federal government and then signing waivers to take their money. Clueless!!!!!!!!

I'm Sketchy on the details...

In Oregon and Washington deals were made with Qwest to give them the deregulation they wanted in exchange for upgrading the statewide broadband capabilities. In Idaho we gave those away for free. Sigh...

Thank Dirk for that one

Thank Dirk for that one

I've been with cableone for

I've been with cableone for 24 years and they don't care. Tell them you are leaving and they don't care. Leave? Fine. Want something everyone else in the country has like HBO GO, or tons of On-Demand stuff that's just a part of your regular bill? Too bad. Want MLB Extra Innings for baseball so you can watch something other the the Yankees and the Red Sox? Take a hike. They don't care. They will not invest in infrastructure to upgrade and they don't care because they don't have to care. Type "cableone" into google and aside from cableone's own links all you find are complaints. I know, the internet is like that--complainers paradise--but it's even more so with cableone. I tried Qwest and didn;t like it. I want something faster than Clear. Cableone is also owned by the same media company that owns the Washington Post. So much for the "liberal media" being "socialist."

The Internet connection speed

in this cow town is just like the drivers S - L - O - W

Rural Idaho

They have spent millions to upgrade internet in Idaho cities - not the truly rural parts of Idaho. But then again, the big corporate people consider Boise to be "rural".

We share the bandwidth with the rest of our village and have only one choice of provider. So I have to giggle a little at the posts complaining of "slow" internet. You ought to try using our "fast" DSL if you want to know what slow truly is.

That is obvious.

Explains why so many folks are slow to catch on.

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Addressing Issue of Low Internet Access in Idaho

Too many Idaho residents lack access to high-speed Internet sources, but the Idaho Commission for Libraries is taking steps to close that gap with a statewide broadband deployment initiative. Through a grant from the Federal Broadband Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP), the Commission has taken the lead in an initiative to increase broadband Internet connectivity in public libraries throughout the state that serve BTOP-defined "vulnerable populations.”

Recently, for example, the public library in Preston received 20 Mbps of broadband Internet connectivity and 12 new computers, the library in Stanley received 10 Mbps and 5 new laptops, and the library in Sandpoint received 45 Mbps and 22 new computers through BTOP. Currently, 56 public libraries — primarily in the state’s rural areas — are participating in the BTOP project’s technology upgrades. In addition to increased broadband access and additional computers provided through the grant, most of the BTOP participating libraries receive Wi-Fi equipment that will enable users who bring their own computers to the library to access the Internet.

Teresa Lipus
Idaho Commission for Libraries

Idaho Internet Speeds

Unfortunately whoever came to test Idaho's internet speeds were looking in the wrong places. Check out these "real" youtube video speed tests; and next time ask someone who knows about Idaho Internet speeds. MeshGlobal.com "the Boise project"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=z5lqv6XaLkY
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=LEnci4aGbLs
From last to first, depending on where you look.

Bravo to my Republican overlords!

When it comes to thinking small and enabling retrograde progress, you have to hand it to the Repubs. Bravo I say to all the farmer legislators who believe in see'er stones and who aspire to one day own their own planet, on which computers might not even exist, and all children are homeschooled. Bravo I say! I suggest we re-name Idaho New Somalia.