As toilet paper flushes down Lochsa, court clogs up megaload shipments

This has not been a good week for the Lochsa River but it isn’t the familiar megaloads controversy that has grabbed the limelight.

Officials are in the Kooskia area today trying to decide the best way to remove tons of unprocessed toilet paper that was dumped in the river when a semi-trailer overturned earlier this week. They are trying of finding a way to keep it from dissolving into a cloud of pulp that would clog the river in the height of whitewater season.

Yes, a Montana judge has halted the shipments of giant loads of mining equipment bound for the tar sands region of northern Alberta. District Judge Ray Dayton’s order blocking the Montana Department of Transportation from transporting the loads Idaho courts allowed, presents Imperial Oil, a Canadian subsidiary of ExxonMobil, with an interesting decision.

Does it continue to cut down the 33 modules it has sitting at Idaho’s Port of Lewiston and divert them up U.S. 95 to Interstate 90 where it already has shipped about 45 shipments from Vancouver, Wash.? It has approval to do that in Idaho and Montana but it will cost additional dollars to modify the modules shipped from Korea.

Then what will it do with the rest of the 207 total loads it had planned? Does it go back to court in Montana and fight Dayton’s decision?

Or does it give up and use the interstate, which has less opposition than carrying them up the scenic U.S. 12 corridor and on two-lane highways through Montana?

Does that mean that Lewiston no longer is the preferred port? If that’s the case then the Idaho business interests and Gov. Butch Otter, who pushed so hard for the shipments approval may have won the battle and lost the war.

But it is not over yet.

Take em to BC.

Regardless of Otter (I loved beating Kempthorne on Garvee) take them to British Columbia and transport them across Canada. You would think politicians and Exxon, in particular, would have gotten the message by now that the citizens don't want them on US12 or 200 in MT. Cut your losses and do something different Exxon.

How many people along the route do not want them?

From the reports I have seen here it seemes that a small group of people who do not live along the route were the ones complaining?

Not me

As another poster said, 'build them in North America. I don't live there and I sure as he** don't want them using the Lochsa route.

The Marxist Tap Dancing Clown Chorus

Has all of the answers, however the "answers" have nothing to do with the questions or with reality. The 1/2 dozen Neo Leninist Clowns seem to make up about half of Rocky's devoted readership and now that the "unprocessed paper's" in the river they are becoming bloated.

Who cares, Running Dog? Go pop your kernals in another park.

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You are so wrong!

Eagle, You are so wrong. Those who have initiated the lawsuit work,live and recreate along US 12 and the others objecting depend on US 12 to get to work, live and recreate. There are many who would not be able to get to work, home, school, etc w/out US12 as there is no alternative routes. Many are dependent on US12 for access to medical care, routine and emergency. Even local trucking companies are negatively affected by having to reschedule and reroute their transports. Try checking the Statesman archives or the Lewiston Morning Tribune or Eye on Boise via the Spokane paper. Yes, there are some in the area supporting the project -- basically those looking for jobs and income (cafes/motels). BTW, many of those objecting and involved in the lawsuit are long time generational citizens.

plan ahead

tpskbi, if US12 is your only route to emergency medical I suggest you learn how to invest in alternative transportation- river boat, chopper, or a broom.

As this story indicates normal traffic on US12 OFTEN blocks it. You will die whether it's a tourist's RV, or an overturned GP truck full of toilet paper or a megaload truck blocks your route.

Good luck!

eagled

Haven't followed this have you. 90% of the commenters not just comments have been against.

The rest are commenting on the first part of the title: TP!

What the crap are the rest of you hollering about?

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fororg

You are a goofy little critter aren't you. But don't stop, you do keep me laughing.

They were helping fish poo with less residue...

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loads

Build the dang things here or in Canada and you'll get all the permits you need, knuckleheads. How much money are you really saving now by building them in Korea? You write it all off anyway. How about doing something beneficial for N. America for a change?

Shipping those jobs out of the US didn't pay off, did it?

It looks like Butch and his corporate welfare buddies are learning a valuable economic lesson about sending US jobs overseas. Even with the Port of Lewiston serving as the entry point into the delivery system, hauling megaloads up the 2-lane highway along the Lochsa River is a bad idea for both the economy and for protecting habitat and the environment. If a load of toilet paper can "clog" up river, imagine what would happen if a "megaload" overturned into the river?

These guys never learn --- just get what they want with the Governor's blessing and unquestioned unilateral permits and protections to do as they please. These companies never think about the repercussions of sending US jobs overseas until they have to pay the price for such bonehead decisions.

There's TP in the Lochsa, ya stooges! GET ON TOPIC!

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$$ ITD

I'm sure the basis for all of this was to increase use of the Port of Lewiston which only has a 14 ft draft -- limiting usage. Political endeavors overlooked and avoided the negative affect of locals for the benefit of out of state and foreign interests all for a messly $2,000 permit. It has cost ITD mega more over the ensuing 3 plus years of this debacle and still isn't over. BTW, those ITD funds are Idaho citizen taxpayer funds. Otter sold Idaho down (actually its up) river on this one.

There's TP in the drink. That's it,

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Van in the river too

They have to wait for the water to go down to get the wrecked van out.

Stupid

Sewer overflows. Now there's TP in the river. Perhaps the EPA has a legitimate agenda.

It's quiltted Charmin so fish don't get TP bits on their scales

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Now if only...

...the load of TP had overturned into Sandy Point instead, it might have proven to be a fortunate accident.

Oh, and Rocky...proof before you post, big guy. ("They are trying of finding a way...")

Barker River

How about his first sentence?
"This has not been a good week for the Lochsa River but it isn’t the familiar megaloads controversy that has grabbed the limelight."

And then he writes only 2 sentences about the paper (since it grabbed the limelight) before the rest is ALL about the megaloads- even though that is not what "grabbed the limelight".

pinheads

A manufacturing facility in Edmonton bid on those kilns, but Exxon sold out to the Korean government subsidized company overseas. Please republicans, don't make Exxon pay taxes--they represent everything that America has become.