perhaps because you live in po dunk, you don't understand the funny part of the "vet" comment. It is well known that these "vets" are not vets just ask them what war they served in or anything about the military in general. Just like the person holding the cardboard sign really is not a mother of three starving children, or is out of gas and just needs gas money, or "needs work" IT IS FAKE!!!! geese VNDL I thought you of all people would know about this, it is now I that is disappointed in you!
Just like Vandies are not real graduates, these Vets are not vets..... unless toddlers served in nam..... that is where the 30 year olds on the corner say they were for their service.... heck.... most of the time they dont even make the signs themselves but other "charity organizations" do It has been a hot topic the past couple weeks in Boise.... cmon man, pick up what I am laying down....
I love the military and the VETS!!! I am a red stater, and I don't sit in coffee shops with all the other posters on the statesman site so I love the vets!

I'll keep my eye open for ya at the game up in Moscow Blue...offer you a beer in name of goodwill and Vandal apologies. Will you be there? Just make sure you park several miles away in Pullman so your car doesn't get keyed, or your wheels get stolen, or your airfoil get shredded to pieces...

Should I be looking for that fellow who can't smile, lookin' all real serious and tough like and chomping on gum? I'm assuming you'll be sporting some bright orange/pink/purple polo shirt accented with the touch of a popped collar, maybe even a sun visor with bleached and gelled up hair? Maybe even some unoriginal tribal band tatoo around the arm to top it off?

Is this right? How far off am I? I need to know so I can find you, apologize, and repair the damage we've done with our nasty behavior....

Bluemonster: In that past you have charged that vehicles owned by Broncos have been vandalized in the parking lot by the Kibbie Dome in Moscow, in years past. I challenged you to prove your charge with facts.

Do date, you have failed to do so.

You seem to be a good one for 'drive by allegations' without substance.

The challenge still remains for you to 'put up or shut up' and provide facts in support of your allegations.

You ask Murphy to validate your post? Let me have the honors. You state fan behaviour has put BSU in a position to dictate terms of future Vandal Donk games. That is the same as stating fan behaviour led to BSU securing a MWC invite. Leaving the WAC is the only thing that has put BSU in this power postion with regard to future games with us.
You must have been a kid that all your grade school teachers kept passing forward as they felt repeating a grade would not have helped. It is the same as drinking a glass of stupid toxin, once ingested, it will never leave your body.

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I guess you have never been to a BYU-Utah game. That nastiness is well docu-mented and much more hatefull than Bronco-Vandal. The fact is BSU is not a traditional university and is shocked to see people of college age doing the things college kids do.
Really statesman docu*ented is a banned word?

You are wasting your time man. Some vandals like Galena and VNDL get the rivalry thing. They'll mess with you but its all good. They try to be unbiased. They have real pride. The good pride a team should have. But some Vandals get offended at the name calling. Yet its the same ones that also name call too. They are livid at Kustra, but think Spears is funny for not getting on a plane and Akey is cool for not dressing in a Bronco locker room for a Bowl game. They think its school spirit for Akey to call the Broncos "Donkeys" and for Spears to demand Home and Home with a Top 10 team even though no other Top Ten teams really do that that often. You cant convince them otherwise.

Bluemonster: You keep charging Vandals doing damage to Bronco vehicles and that the University of Idaho and/or students and/or alumni accept no responsibility for thse actions and/or stopping them. I posted the following, almost three weeks ago, and you still have not rsponded. I am posting it again, as possibly you have not had an oportunity to respond yet, and I want to be throrough in my efforts to provide you every opportunity to respond.

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It's Time To Put Up Or Shut Up & A Hobson's Choice
Submitted by VNDL on Sat, 07/31/2010 - 3:19pm.
Bluemonster: I don't doubt there is a perception that exists, whereby a belief system has emerged which focuses squarely upon rumored and alledged damage being done to vehicles owned by Broncos by Vandals, when Broncos have traveled to Moscow to attend BSU/Idaho football games. You are not the first to have verbalized this rumor.

To the end of ascertaining and weighing the credibility of your charges and accusations, could you please provide the specifics of when this occurred, what type(s) of vehcle(s) was/were damaged, where this damage occured on property owned and/or controlled by the University of Idaho, how this damage ocurred, were any police notified, were any insurancd claims filed, what was the percentage of actual payout of insurance claims paid in relation to the actual depreciated value of the vehicle(s) per the current NADA 'blue book' valuations at the time of the occurrence(s), were there witnesses to the events, were any written or oral witness statements taken, were criminal charges filed against any individuals connected in any way with the University of Idaho, and do you have first hand knowledge, a priori, of the factual accuracy of your charges and allegations - and if so how can their veracity be best ascertained?

You have leveled some very serious and heavy duty charges and allegations against Vandals, on a public forum.

I do not condone damaging personal property of Broncos who travel to Moscow, in any form of being representative of 'the spirit' of Hate BSU Week. Verbal insults and smack talk are okay though - even t-shirts that say F U BSU or other Nasty Stuff, as well. And the spitting stuff - well that may be a case by case thingy that could go either way depending on various factors (volume, content, physical and chemical makeup of the spittle, wind speed, deflection, the earth's rotation and gravity pull, and a whole bunch more other stuff)

Please provide the requested information, preferably broken out on a year by year basis, for every year the Broncos played the Vandals in the Kibbie Dome, since the inception of the Bronco/Vandal rivalry beginning post 1971 First Game.

Failure to do so on your part, should, by using Reasonable Man Standards, be fairly and objectively construed by all readers of this board (be they Broncos/Vandals/all others), as you, probably not having, any credible basis or verifiable facts uppon which to base your charges and allegations.

Should your research and sharing prove factual and specific information regarding actual damage to any vehicle(s) owned by Broncos, caused by Vandals, on University of Idaho property, I will personally arrange for a meeting with the President of the University of Idaho (President Nellis) and express my outrage that damage has occurred to Bronco personal property by Vandals, on University of Idaho property. I can assure you that you will be an invitee to that meeting as well - so you can be a stand up person and stand shoulder to shoulder with a Vandal expressing mutual outrage at these occurrences - should they pan out as being valid and factual, that is.

Until you provide some actual verifiable facts - what you have posted can only be fairly and objectively considered as nothing more, than wild baseless charges and accusations, without foundation and/or merit.

The ball is in your court, Bluemonster.

Go Vandals.

Go Broncos.

PS - I shudder to think there may have been any insurance fraud involved regarding these occurrences, if monies have actually been paid out by insurance companies for any claims filed by anyone for damages arrising from any/all of your alleged charged occurrences, and your facts don't support your allegations. That would be a big 'No No'. Possibly, the good folks at the Idaho Insurance Commission should look into this if you can provide supporting facts to lay a credible foundation and give weight and color to your charges and allegations - to ensure no insurance fraud ocurred? The same could be said if you can't. A classic Hobson's Choice. Just a thought.

PPS - Until you provide some facts and specifics, I just can't take your allegations and charges seriously. But, I do believe the rumors about verbal insults and even a little spitting here and there. That stuff probably happened - I don't doubt that.

PPPS - Broncos should probably take umbrellas to this year's game in Moscow, I'm thinking.
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Thanx

VNDL

enough of the vehicle damage whimpering ok?. Did you guys make a police report? Did ya'll file insurance claims? Seriously, if there is such a big deal about vehicle damge in Moscow, would it not be newsworthy? I mean Channel 7 will send a reporter and a camera guy 5 hours away to talk a bout a tree that fell down in the middle of a forest, so if vehicle vandalism was as widespread as you claim it is, then more people would be aware of it because it would make the news, but guess what. bad things happen from time to time and because of that almost everywhere you park your vehicle, you do so at your own risk and, BSU isn't any different. Try calling the BSU/Boise Police station and ask how many vehicle break ins calls they receive on a monthy basis, or how many theft calls they go on, or how many bikes and lap tops get stolen. What it comes down to is you and many other Bronco fans are only seeing what you want to see in the rivalry. You guys only seem to want to see the worst part of it and dwell on it as opposed to opening your mind and seeing that vandalism/crime is something that happens all of the time. check out this website - http://www.adaweb.net/mapping/
As you can see, there's evidently a lot of vandal fans living in Boise, huh? Seriously though, have fun with the Idaho fans, enjoy the rivalry, and remember that it's all in good fun, you just have to allow yourself to partake in it.