Obama's expansion of guns into national parks raises fears for bears

Gun people can’t agree on a lot of issues.

Is a .270 big enough for elk hunting? Is the pre-64 Model 70 Winchester superior to later models?

What’s better for the field, a side-by-side double barrel shotgun or an over-under? Does the .257 Roberts’ ballistics make it worth the extra cost of ammo over the .243?

But one thing I have found as I have hung out at gun shows and gun shops this year is that nearly 100 percent of the people I talk to there agree on one thing:

“Obama wants to take away our guns!”

Based on this universal attitude, ammunition sales went through the roof from election day until last August said Max Bosworth, who runs Max's Gun Shop in Idaho Falls. That's when gun owners finally ran out of money because of the economy.

At the last gun show I attended in April gun sales were slow but ammunition and other accessories were still moving. You never can have too much ammo but it sure has gotten expensive.

What is interesting about all this is that Obama has only done one thing about guns since he has entered office. He signed a new federal law that required national parks to allow gun owners to carry guns into national parks under the same rules the states have for the surrounding areas.

That’s right, Obama expanded gun owner rights. He didn’t restrict them.

This expansion has not pleased my National Park Service sources very much. The ones on Yellowstone, Grand Teton and Glacier national parks are especially worried that it might put more big handguns in the hands of hikers heading into bear country.

You might remember I wrote in 2008 about a scientific study that showed bear spray was more effective than a gun for protecting yourself from a grizzly bear. But there are many people who remain unconvinced, the Denver Post reports.

I still go along with the characterization of people who need a gun in bear country as “wood wimps,” which I heard from an old bear biologist who spent hundreds if not thousands of hours around bears. And I’m not worried about the government taking away my guns.

But then I hunt elk with a .270 and choose a side-by-side instead of an over-under shotgun every time!

They can always form gangs?

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Or they can form Militia's.

Or they can form Militia's. Wait, what? They all ready are? Sad.....

"I still go along with the

"I still go along with the characterization of people who need a gun in bear country as “wood wimps,”

I am sure that's what "Grizzly Man" thought too. Now he is worm dirt, along with his girlfriend.

BURP

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out of money

That's when gun owners finally ran out of money because of the economy.
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Rocky, you are such an idiot!

You don't even NEED guns to be broke and vice versa!

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minority

Speaking of guns-
A good interview the other day with New York City Mayor Bloomberg. He stated he believes gun rights are up to the individual states and individual cities to decide on.

To which I thought, "what if you are in the minority?".

Should the mass of people be able to take away the rights of minorities? I think not. I'm pretty sure one role of government is to PROTECT the interests of those in the minority.

Carry in the woods, but not in the offices and don't use.

Federal law also prohibits firearms in certain facilities in this park (such as visitor centers, government offices, etc.); those places are marked with signs at all public entrances. Hunting and discharge of firearms remain prohibited in Yellowstone National Park.

- http://www.nps.gov/yell/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm

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So there's not a whole lot of "expanding gun rights" going on.

Expanding Gun Rights?

Would that include shooting a few bears in Yellowstone or packing a gun in government offices?

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LR, you are muddying the water in your own mind.
The gun rights issue has nothing to do with illegal shooting of bears.

Guns in government offices is not offensive to me and should be legal. If a security guard or police can pack there, I should be able to as well.

Try not be a scarty cat.

Paranoid

As a recent Associated Press article reported, "Experience shows that putting firearms and grizzly bears in the same places ends up with dead grizzly bears." People carrying guns are more likely to have a false sense of security and put themselves in places and/or situations which are more likely to result in a confrontation which the bear usually losses. Some of those people will believe their life is threaten simply because a bear comes into range.

In closing, I doubt there is any place on the planet you won't want to carry a firearm or maybe even several to allay your fear, so this year do go have some fun in our beautiful National Parks. Just don't shot anything.

Putting Black Sabbath on your turntable is Paranoid also.

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Which is why I never put

Which is why I never put Black Sabbath on my turntable.

It was THERAPY for OZZY?

I have their CDs!

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self defense

Experience shows that putting firearms and grizzly bears in the same places ends up with dead grizzly bears."

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-Duh, maybe that's because firearms are the only thing able to kill a grizzly. So you're not gonna have dead bears unless there are also guns for self defense.

In those surveys, where X% of the attacks had a favorable outcome with spray, well fine, unless you're the unlucky % where the incident did not turn out well. Same ticket says, only 10 fatal bear attacks in the last X years. Great! Unless you are one of those 10.
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Risk Adverse

It is interesting that folks who would not want to accept any risk from bears in Yellowstone (no matter how small) have no problem accepting the much, much higher risk involved in driving there. Remember...those with guns may have even less successful outcomes in bear encounters compared to those with pepper spray. Your best bet is to stay home with the blinds drawn. The bears won't mind.

Obama and firearms

As a illinois state senator Obama legislation weas introduced to raise the Illinois firearm owner card from $25 to $500 to own or purchase weapons.It also restricted purchases,ammunition and weapons. He was in favor of firearm free suburbs. A man used a firearm to protect his family in a home invasion and was arrested. The State legislature tried to pass a law to give immunity to arrest under those conditions,Obama voted against it. This is the way we will lose our firearms through onerous legislation not conficscation.

There is a bit of difference

There is a bit of difference in the role of and responsibilities of being a State Senator representing a district and being President of the United States. I doubt gun rights folks will ever be happy no matter what President Obama does.

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I'd be happy if he publicly acknowledges he will not sign any law to impede our 2nd Amendment regardless of any other aspect of the bill.

There is considerable

There is considerable disagreement on 2nd Amendment rights. So I doubt even that would satisfy. In the mean time he'll get zero credit from pro-gun folks for just leaving the status quo. It makes for better ramble rousing, gun sales and fund raising to assert otherwise.

spokesman?

So what you saying?
Do you believe Obama & Company do NOT want to enact gun control laws?

I do not believe they have

I do not believe they have a desire to do so. They had ample opportunity to prevent the "Carry Your Loaded Guns in National Parks but Don't Shoot Them" amendment from being stuck on a Credit Card Reform bill and did nothing.

They don't have a lot of choice!

No doubt it would just stir up the ones that really love to USE them.

Don't need to get people playing out '24', even if there is no evil brother plotting to kill him and take over the country...

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"Obama's expansion of guns

"Obama's expansion of guns into national parks raises fears for bears"

Which bears did they talk to? In the last bear meeting I was at not one bear expressed fear of this law. Maybe they were just acting tough in front of me since I was the only human there?
I feel lied to.

Raises fears FOR the bears

Raises fears FOR the bears not the fears of the bears. The bears are fearless which why they get into trouble.

Ya I know. I was posting

Ya I know. I was posting tongue in cheek! But I was at that bear meeting, I don't care what ya say.

I'm rooting for Da Bears!

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