Which choice will work better, tax on rich or cutting services? A tale of two states
Oregon voters have raised taxes on the richest among them.
They chose to soak the fat boys and spread it out thin, in the words of Willie Stark in “All the King’s Men.” Or in the words of millionaire Idaho Gov. Butch Otter, they engaged in “class warfare.”
Whatever their motivation, they chose raising taxes on households making more than $250,000 and corporations instead of closing schools early, laying off teachers and slashing the social safety net.
These are the same Oregon voters who voted to limit regulatory takings, limited property taxes, rejected a sales tax and turned down new income taxes. It’s not like they love taxes.
Voters made this choice despite warning from business leaders that they would drive away entrepreneurs and force existing businesses to slash jobs.
Don’t hold your breath that Idaho will follow. The initiative was pushed by the state’s public employee unions, who worked hard to make the case to voters that protecting schools and services would protect the economy as much as low taxes.
Idaho’s unions are politically toothless thanks to the passage of a “Right to Work” law in the state in the 1980s. Idaho lawmakers are actually talking about cutting taxes for the rich based on the hope it will create jobs.
So Oregon’s vote coupled with Idaho’s inherent deep cuts in education, social services and all state government services gives people on both sides of the issue a real chance to prove who is right. Will the state that raises taxes to protect schools and services do better economically than the state that keeps taxes low?
All across the West other states are struggling with the same problems because states have to balance their budgets. Oregon pioneered the regulatory takings laws and then adjusted it when it didn’t turn out the way they had hoped.
Most of all Oregon pioneered the initiative process of direct legislation, where voters, not elected lawmakers, make the laws. William S. U’Ren led the effort to give voters the chance for initiatives and referendums while a legislator in 1898.
He led the effort to expand it to local governments with a constitutional amendment in 1906. Under his leadership Oregonians banned free railroad passes, made U.S. senate election by popular vote instead of by the Legislature, established a presidential primary, and gave voters the power to recall officials.
If Idaho Republicans are right, then our state should directly benefit as businesses choose to come here instead of staying in a place that will hit them with taxes. If Oregon Democrats are right, those businesses will stay because the leaders and employees have kids in school.
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Finally, a tax on those who deserve to be taxed.
Cheers for Oregon!
It's all crap period. Stop fooling yourself and scapegoating.
Stop duplicatinf KR like nobody will answer the first time too. Afraid of unemployment?
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I love how Republicans like
I love how Republicans like Butch cry "class warfare!" when struggle so hard to protect his rich ranching buddies.
Environmental Politics
Buffaloed:
I THOUGHT that the entire Enviro movement was just an off-shoot of the Democrat party.
Thanks for the verification. Keep that AGW happening! Just say no to cheeseburgers. Etc.
I'm guessing most of the Environmental Industry lawyers making millions off these scams are Democrats, too. Not that there is anything wrong with partisan politics -- it's just kind of irritating to hear the self-righteous denials. Earmarks for Earth!
Thanks, buffaloed, for keeping it real.
It was the BROWN ACID, Bob.
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Brown Delivers.
Every once in a while, FO, your non sequiturs kind of make sense. Sort of.
If I'm not truly half a---- life is not well, Bob.
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Gutsy move by Oregon
I hope the Statesman will follow-up on the economic impact of the Oregon voters' decision on both Oregon and Idaho. I'm thinking it will benefit, not harm, Oregon's economy. I've not been a fan of citizen initiatives -- we elect legislators for a reason -- but I'm impressed with the way Oregonians have stepped to tackle political issues to "hot" for politicians facing re-election to handle. I do think, however, the tax increase should have applied to all, not just the wealthy. All benefit from public schools and services and all should be called on to sacrifice during difficult times.
You said it
"... all should be called on to sacrifice during difficult times."
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ALL?
I have never heard of a teacher's union agreeing to "sacrifice" in the current year.
Any union for that matter. The major US Auto deal broke down because UAW would not accept a drop in wages to bring the big 3 wages in line with nonunion auto workers.
Don't freak, it's about as dead as J.S. Bach.
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WE'RE ALL ON FOOD STAMPS!
What in the constipated hell is wrong with this SERVER?
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OK FO, finally a legitimate topic for your comment
What's an Oregonian's perspective on this? Got an opinion? Any explanation of the apparent contrast between Idaho and Oregon in matters like this?
gotta say I'm glad to finally see a topic where your post might be relevant. Don't blow it.
I'm not dead. I'm sure of that.
Where is that Kaltenborn(sic) guy?
Oh, HE'S dead. God, can I get the dishes done?
NO! I have to sit and flag hot heads back who don't bother to even read the story and interpret my response!
Back to the very people who should keep quiet and take what they get.
Why DO you think any of this means something to your life?
You were born, you will die. NEXT
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Businesses will pass this cost to customers or skim the drawer.
Wage earners with a W-2 will have to pay. Private sector unions will continue eat, until they eat themselves. Remember when you pay a public service union member you are actually paying three members. Just look south to California.
We DO make over 8 dollars an hour MINIMUM though...
By the way? What did you tech folkies at Highly Peurile and Micronmanaged make and what good did it do you?
Before you pee in my pond note the pirahnas in your own?
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Oregon Tax Measure 66&67
It could be helpful to your inform your readers that the $727 million in cuts to the legislative adopted Oregon budget were to be from a budget that had increased by $8.1 billion, an increase of 17.3% from the 2007-2009 budget. This increase is far greater than the assumed rate of inflation. In effect, the Oregon legislature was not proposing budget cuts rather reductions. The very liberal Oregon legislature was unwilling to make the needed reductions, resulting in ballot measures 66 &67.
Any boost in jobs increase will only through removal of business tax increases, or as is more likely in Oregon, in government or public sector jobs with the customary generous entitlement perks.
The remaining question for Oregonians is how long it will take to reach a budget crisis similar to California.
Are you planning to move their capital to Grants Pass?
Mein Gott, Fraulein Wendy! Just keep the bacon on my cheap burger.
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