For sale (perhaps): Barely used residential real estate with great views in a convenient Downtown Boise location.
The state is facing up to some fiscal facts and basic logistics — Idaho has a governor's mansion it doesn't seem to need. Wisely, a state panel wants to spend the next two months studying the pros and cons of keeping J.R. Simplot's former mansion — or putting the home on the market. (The Associated Press reported this story Tuesday.)
OK, I don't know what kind of market there will be for the 7,370-square-foot mansion. I'm also hard-pressed to figure out what kind of case the Governor's Housing Committee will hear for hanging onto the property.
The state has spent $310,000 of private donations to remodel and furnish the mansion, says the AP. Still, save for some meetings and private events, the hilltop mansion remains empty. Gov. Butch Otter, Simplot's former son-in-law, has made good on a campaign promise to stay in his Star home and forgo the use of the mansion.
It would take a pretty compelling counterargument to justify keeping this mansion. A mansion mission statement would be nice, as well.
A mea culpa: When Simplot donated the mansion to then-Gov. Dirk Kempthorne five years ago this month, our editorial board was quick to praise the transaction. "A governor's mansion, like a state Capitol, is a showplace," we wrote in December 2004. "It's a place to entertain other dignitaries. It is a public asset, not just a perk for a chief executive."
The situation appears considerably different now. This building is, at best, an underused public asset.
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I had no problem with that place when it was a private residence. However, like the Boise streetcar project, it is now a glaring symbol of the growing elitist disconnect that the Idaho and Boise politicians have. The state has no business owning that place. The upkeep alone is over $100,000 per year. In the meantime, everything else suffers.
The Idaho government for a long time now has had to have nothing but the best. Go down to north Orchard and look at the office space that the DEQ and Correctional Industries moved into. Pretty posh for leased government offices. There is an entire litany of other examples of this.
We should be moving into an era of more government fiscal responsibility and awareness. Governors no longer need mansions, jets, helicopters, and all the other elitist trappings.
Shoud future governors take a poverty vow?
The use of the word mansion to describe an official residence for the head of state is rather misleading. We don't call the White House the President's mansion even though it more clearly meets the definition of a mansion than most states governor's residences do. We refer to our elected officials as public servants, and even servants are given living quarters. Where do you propose the governor live during his or her term in office?
In a state the size of Idaho, there is nothing at all extravagant or elitist about a governor having access to a jet or helicopter to make the most efficient use of his time. As long as he isn't using the jet to take his wife out for dinner in San Francisco, I don't have a problem with modernity.
A mea culpa
Popkey also recently wrote about the how the lakeside cabin leases the state does is obviously a BAD thing for the state of Idaho- siding with AG Wasden. http://www.idahostatesman.com/popkey/story/998758.html
Two years ago, the editors said it was bad too, but then after one of the Payette Lakes HOA had lunch with you, KR, you recanted your earlier negative editorial and posted you sided with the leaseholders.
Oh well, not everyone can hit 100%.
What I actually wrote on Dec. 2, 2007
I don't think this column "sided with the leaseholders," and instead pointed out the complexities of the issue. Here it is, in full:
The cabin lease debate will resume Tuesday morning, when the state Land Board discusses 2008 rates for Payette Lake leases.
Representatives of the Payette Lake Cabin Owners board came in Wednesday to make their presentation to the editorial board. I have to admit, they have a stronger case than I expected.
* The 169 leaseholders are feeling the effects of rapidly increasing property values. If anything, they are worse off than landowners. If a property's value doubles, a property tax bill doesn't necessarily double. But when the value of a lease site doubles, the rental will double, since the rent is based on 2.5 percent of appraised value.
A case in point: Jim Young, the president of the cabin owners' board, said his 2001 rental, for a lot with 100 feet of lake frontage, was $13,225. The 2008 rental is on pace to exceed $49,000.
* The rates are out of line with neighboring states. Recently, the Land Board offered up a pair of leases on North Idaho's Priest Lake, but had no takers. The reason, say cabin holders: The state's proposed rent was twice as high as the highest rental rate on Montana's Flathead Lake.
* The rapidly rising rental rates have also dried up the market for cabin owners looking to sell. Twenty-four of the cabins were on the market this year, Young said, also with no takers.
With all the leases up for renewal in 2010, the cabin owners are hoping for long-term relief. They hold 10-year leases and get first shot at renewal, and would like the Legislature to establish 49-year leases - in other words, the same special deal lawmakers extended to Tamarack resort developers a couple of years ago.
I'm torn. Part of me wouldn't mind seeing legislators squirm under the precedent they created with the Tamarack deal. But should the state let leaseholders lock in a lakefront site for 49 years at a time, with a right of first refusal that lets no other bidder in on the action?
In the short run, Payette cabin holders want a rollback to 2006 rates. For Young, that would equate to about a $25,000 rental next year.
The Constitution sets broad policy to manage endowment lands, such as the cabin sites, for "maximum long-term financial return." State code says long-term return is "best obtained through stable leases at market rent."
The Constitution and code are not at cross purposes. The trick is in how the state sets up the leasing system and the rental rates. That question falls to the five-member Land Board - Gov. Butch Otter, Secretary of State Ben Ysursa, Attorney General Lawrence Wasden, Controller Donna Jones and State Schools Superintendent Tom Luna.
David Leroy, a Boise lawyer and former attorney general, is representing the cabin holders. He says he hasn't counted votes to see how Tuesday's meeting will go.
The outcome should be interesting. Otter, Luna and Jones, elected a year ago, are new to the Land Board, and face an intriguing decision.
Kevin Richert
editorial page editor
Pimp's constant ax grinding has permanently dulled his blade.
He should drop the grind and stick with just bumping.
It made KR stutter...
PS I don't need birdcrap buttons stuck in my chocolate. How many others do you want to see this joke?
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The message
brought to you by the pimp, is constant.
And you know it, Poet.
complacency means acceptance
siding with:
"I have to admit, they have a stronger case than I expected"
Yes, and I have to admit after listening to some Islam fundamentalists they have a strong case to rationalize terrorism... (but that is not siding with them)
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More to my point--- you offer their weak arguments without dissecting them or presenting the counter-argument. Jim Young could've have written that piece and we would not recognize the difference.
For example the 2001 to 2008 rate-
Well that's about a 20% annual increase. How does that compare with other McCall LAKESIDE propertis for the same time period? The counter argument (from the State Board) is THAT is a fair rate for that property- quit whining.
Further to my point, prior to your Wednesday meeting the op/ed was something to the effect, "those cabinholders are getting too sweet of a deal". But I'm sure you have access to that archive too.
Your blog should've have said these are the HOA points and these are a repear of our solid points. We reaffirm our original opinion.
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As for the link on the mansion and the lake properties, it's similar for the case that the State should not be in business of holding real estate that is not giving a maximum return to the citizens of Idaho.
Yeah, KR, I know what you mean.....
"I don't this this column" either.
Two options for Leg.
The biggest issue with getting rid of the property is what it tells anybody who might vie for the governors seat who is not from the Treasure Valley. Having the provided housing gives an alternative to an out-of-town candidate from not having to purchase their own residence in Boise for the 4-8 years while serving in the position.
Two options - pay for the mansion or pay a housing allowance, not both.
If the state were to maintain ownership of the mansion, I say eliminate the housing allowance all together - the state provides housing for Idaho's First Family with the mansion. If a Treasure Valley governor - like Otter - chooses to live in their own home it is by their choice so no allowance.
The other option is to sell the mansion and maintain the housing allowance and require a residence in the capital city. The $4800/month (or whatever it is) will pay for one heck of a nice apartment in downtown Boise. Again, if the governor chooses to live exclusively in his/her own residence then no allowance.
That makes a lot of sense...
But remember, we ARE talking about Idaho lawmakers.
All in the family
Do you think Idaho lawmakers are any different than Oregon lawmakers? California lawmakers? Or Texas lawmakers?
Do you think lawmakers are different than poets?
What? Only poets are reasonable?
How about the wacko poetry jams where idiots get up to a mic and spew and scream nonsensical junk to the universe?
Do YOU really think the legislative sessions are any
different than poetry jams? (Which I'm not a fan of either).
Nonsense is nonsense. One party rule usually leads to more nonsense than is needed.
Sounds like group therapy.
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We know at least the commode's good.
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Governor's residence
Now that Allred has declared his candidacy the housing issue will once again be moot. He has his own place.
Housing vs Entertainment.
So in option 2, you want to provide an allowance for anyone to pay for a place in downtown, but if I already have a place in say Kuna, then I don't get the allowance?
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So I get the allowance and I pay for a shack in the ghetto where all the good pimps live- and I pocket the difference. Is that okay???
My shack is definitely not suitable for entertaining lobbists and other political riff-raff, so now the state gets to pay for renting an event venue... is that okay?
If you have a Geto mansion, try da CLUB.
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agreed
makes a lot of sense
Keep it for now
Selling in this market is plain stupid.
The Governor's residence was free to the the state but should still be considered an investment and why would you cash out at the bottom of the market? Keep it and see if it's needed in the future. If not the market will get better.
It was really stupid to sell the former residence on 27th street and provide an allowance instead since costs of renting will always go up but with the residence most of the costs are fixed.
If the Governor chooses not to live there then start renting it out for weddings and other occasions to cover costs. The place was remodeled to entertain large groups. If the allowance is removed from the picture then the possibility of a profit renting it out exists.
The American Snowjob
costs of renting will always go up but with the residence most of the costs are fixed
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part one
Costs of renting will always go up.... most landowners I know forget to include an automatic increase in their lease agreements. And I know of many who are charging the SAME rent as they were 10 years ag- just because the tenant stays.
residence most costs are fixed
ever heard of a remodel? Roof work? Repairs? That's like saying with owning a car most costs are fixed and therefore better than leasing.
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granted long-term ownership is usually better (albeit the the current RE market shows timing and market can prove differently) but your reasons are weak.
Extend that to the "keep it for now as selling in this market is stupid" statement.
Not always true. Anyone who believes selling in a down market is automaticly a stupid choice, deserves to incur their pain.
Are you in favor of non-American snowjobs then?
Oh GREAT!
American hucksters out of work. Damn.
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Party house not practical
I don't think the remodel changed the house's primary function as a home, so it would need to be remodeled again to become functional for weddings and the like, at which point it would lose its functional purpose as the govenor's mansion. Add to that liability insurance and some type of supervisory staff and/or security detail to make sure the place doesn't get thrashed by drunken revelers. For weddings and private parties to be profitable, you would need to book the place almost every weekend, which might not be feasible, especially in the winter months when there are fewer weddings. By profitable I mean taking in enough revenue to offset the cost of owning the house. People don't just book a reception hall over the phone without seeing it and looking over the lease contract, so you are probably also looking at having an office on the premises. What about parking for large groups? Endless details to think about, and they all cost money before you can make any money.
So build a mission next to it.
Group home to house and get the poor and homeless going again...transitional housing.
Give it to the Salvation Army. Stop crying and make lemonade.
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