TCU retains edge over Boise State in BCS; Broncos land at No. 4 in Harris poll with a first-place vote

By Chadd Cripe
ccripe@idahostatesman.com
© 2009 Idaho Statesman

TCU held off Boise State in the latest Bowl Championship Series standings Sunday.

TCU is No. 6. Boise State is No. 7. Cincinnati is No. 5 and Oregon is No. 8. The margin among those four teams is small, so they could move around in coming weeks.

In the computers, those four teams were ranked Cincinnati (No. 5), TCU, Oregon, Boise State.

The top four are Florida, Texas, Alabama and Iowa.

Cincinnati jumped from No. 8 to No. 5, while TCU and Boise State stayed put.

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TCU jumped Boise State in the USA Today Coaches’ Poll on Sunday — another blow to the Broncos’ Bowl Championship Series hopes.

However, the Broncos received a No. 1 vote in the Harris poll and jumped to No. 4 in that poll — two spots ahead of TCU.

The Horned Frogs and Broncos both won easily Saturday.

TCU jumped from No. 6 to No. 4 in the USA Today poll. Boise State remained No. 5. TCU leads by six points.

TCU gained 51 points in the poll. Boise State gained 24.

Oregon, which beat USC on Saturday and is 7-1 with a loss to Boise State, is No. 8 — the highest-ranked one-loss team. That means Boise State has the best single win in the country by ranking.

Boise State moved up one spot to No. 5 in The Associated Press Top 25. TCU is No. 6. Oregon is No. 7.

In the Harris poll, Boise State moved up one spot to No. 4 — its highest ranking ever in any of the human polls. TCU is No. 6, but the Horned Frogs moved closer to Boise State in points. Boise State leads by 87 points. Oregon is No. 8.

Idaho received eight points in the Coaches' Poll and 16 points in the Harris poll. The Vandals got two points in the AP poll.

We’ll have more as the rest of the polls are released. The BCS standings are due after 5 p.m.

CollegeBCS.com projects that TCU will be No. 5, Boise State will be No. 6 and Oregon will be No. 7 this week.

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Addressing a couple comments about my ballot:

— I, and most people, give credit to a team for its wins based on where those teams are ranked now, not when they played. If you go by when they played, you’re just letting voter error influence your decisions. We know now that Mississippi is not one of the Top 25 teams in the country, but at one time they were in the top five. The same thing applies to Oregon — Boise State gets credit for beating a top-10 team. Utah, likewise, gets credit for losing to a top-10 team on the road — not to an unranked team like the Ducks were at the time.

— The reason my ballot goes Boise State, Iowa, Cincinnati, TCU is this: Boise State and Iowa have beaten teams that I have ranked in the top 11. Cincinnati has beaten two teams that I have in my top 26. TCU has not beaten anybody that I voted for or considered this week, though BYU is close to that level.

Here’s the USA Today poll:

1 Florida
2 Texas
3 Alabama
4 TCU
5 Boise State
6 Iowa
7 Cincinnati
8 Oregon
9 LSU
10 Penn State
11 Georgia Tech
12 Ohio State
13 Southern California
14 Pittsburgh
15 Houston
16 Utah
17 Miami (Fla.)
18 Oklahoma State
19 Arizona
20 Oklahoma
21 Notre Dame
22 Wisconsin
23 California
24 Virginia Tech
25 Brigham Young

Here’s the Harris poll:

1 Florida (83) 8-0 2,803 Beat Georgia 41-17 Vanderbilt 1
2 Texas (19) 8-0 2,714 Beat No. 13 Oklahoma State 41-14 UCF 3
3 Alabama (9) 8-0 2,672 Idle No. 9 LSU 2
4 Boise State (1) 8-0 2,313 Beat San Jose State 45-7 at Louisiana Tech (Fri) 5
5 Cincinnati 8-0 2,281 Beat Syracuse 28-7 Connecticut 6
6 TCU 8-0 2,226 Beat UNLV 41-0 at San Diego State 7
7 Iowa (2) 9-0 2,209 Beat Indiana 42-24 Northwestern 8
8 Oregon 7-1 2,148 Beat No. 4 USC 47-20 at Stanford 11
9 LSU 7-1 2,070 Beat Tulane 42-0 at No. 3 Alabama 9
10 Penn State 8-1 1,809 Beat Northwestern 34-13 No. 13 Ohio State 10
11 Georgia Tech 8-1 1,775 Beat Vanderbilt 56-31 Wake Forest 12
12 USC 6-2 1,415 Lost to No. 11 Oregon 47-20 at Arizona State 4
13 Ohio State 7-2 1,369 Beat New Mexico State 45-0 at No. 10 Penn State 15
14 Houston 7-1 1,303 Beat Southern Miss 50-43 at Tulsa 16
15 Pittsburgh 7-1 1,282 Idle Syracuse 17
16 Utah 7-1 1,121 Beat Wyoming 22-10 New Mexico 19
17 Miami (FL) 6-2 1,111 Beat Wake Forest 28-27 Virginia 18
18 Oklahoma State 6-2 690 Lost to No. 3 Texas 41-14 at Iowa State 13
19 Oklahoma 5-3 673 Beat Kansas State 42-30 at Nebraska 22
20 Notre Dame 6-2 657 Beat Washington State 40-14 Navy 24
21 Arizona 5-2 598 Idle Washington State 25
22 California 6-2 385 Beat Arizona State 23-21 Oregon State NR
23 Virginia Tech 5-3 333 Lost to North Carolina 20-17 at East Carolina (Thu) 14
24 Wisconsin 6-2 295 Beat Purdue 37-0 at Indiana NR
25 BYU 6-2 250 Idle at Wyoming NR

Here’s the AP poll:

1 Florida
2 Texas
3 Alabama
4 Cincinnati
5 Boise State
6 TCU
7 Oregon
8 Iowa
9 LSU
10 Georgia Tech
11 Penn State
12 Southern California
13 Houston
14 Pittsburgh
15 Ohio State
16 Miami (Fla.)
17 Utah
18 Oklahoma State
19 Notre Dame
20 Oklahoma
21 Arizona
22 Virginia Tech
23 California
24 Wisconsin
25 Brigham Young

Here’s my AP ballot:

1 Florida
2 Texas
3 Alabama
4 Boise State
5 Iowa
6 Cincinnati
7 TCU
8 Oregon
9 Georgia Tech
10 LSU
11 Penn State
12 Houston
13 Miami
14 USC
15 Ohio State
16 Notre Dame
17 Pittsburgh
18 Utah
19 Arizona
20 Virginia Tech
21 Oklahoma St
22 California
23 Wisconsin
24 Oklahoma
25 South Florida

Dropped out: West Virginia, South Carolina, Central Michigan
Also considered: Rutgers

TCU

Unfortunatly I think we all saw that coming.

GO BSU!!!

I didnt

I didnt think their win was too much better than ours this week. I didnt see it coming.

So What?

The Broncos at 5 are where they should be. Congrats and GO BRONCOS!

This Poll is nothing!

It is essentially filled out by the coach's secretary, if at all. The coaches are to busy to be looking at or figuring out the rankings of other teams. It's a myopic media beauty contest... trust me I know.

5 is way too high

Too bad for Boise that Oregon will be ranked ahead of them when the REAL polls are released. Boise fans are going to have a lot to cry about this week when LeGarrette comes back and Oregon surpasses them in the BCS rankings for a bowl game. It will be a lot of fun to watch!

I've noticed...

Yeah, I know.... it's already kinda quiet around here isn't it?

And...

And it's not because everyone's at church.

The Ducks...

Talk about having some insecurity issues. The Broncos beat the Ducks TWICE. If the Broncos get passed up by the Ducks in the polls it will be based on BCS bias not on anything else. The Ducks came to Boise hell bent on revenge and LOST. I know you Duck fans are still bent out of shape over it but gees its time to get over it. Have some class like your coach and give the team that whipped your butts some credit. If thats too much for you guys, at least stop crying about it. Obviously it still hurts some of you so bad you try to validate your feelings somehow.

Boo Hoo

It hurts doesn't it...all that smack talk and nothing to back it up with. lol They are going to pass you before the end of the season, and before you can cry foul, everyone will be pointing at your one game season. The Ducks are legitimate and the Broncos are completely unproven even though they beat the Ducks--boy that must hurt like nobody's business. I can't wait to hear all of the anti-BCS whining this week...lol. GO MICHIGAN!!!

Ha ha ha ha

You said, "cry foul." ha ha ha ha ha Water foul. Was a good win by Oregon. Love the Broncos, but this team doesn't deserve this ranking. If someone wants to stop the Broncos in a game, just let them get to the Red Zone, and then watch them fall apart. It's disgusting. The missed snaps are disgusting, the running game is disgusting. People can complain about the schedule all they want, but the fact is it's the WAC. It's not getting any better folks. Don't know how to move the team. Did anyone read the article about Boise not being a football town? Made me mad, but it's true, and I saw it again at the San Jose State game. What he doesn't say is this. Where the heck are the parking lots like the big schools have instead of all over downtown Boise? That would help if you knew there were places to park where you didn't have to walk 5 miles, and risk tickets from BPD. (Its their job so I'm not complaining.) The point will always be argued how its not BSU's fault, and its the WAC's fault, and Gene wont schedule crap. You're right to all of it, but it's still happens and the Broncos end up looking silly and taking a lot of trash.

TCU Fan Base

Did you see all the empty seats this weekend at the TCU game? BSU dosn't get any respect, except we keep winning. I wish we could play better teams, but every team still has to put on it's pads and play the game. Think goodness we didn't play Washington State this year, they really would have hurt our strength of schedule, don't they play in the PAC-10?

TCU Fan Base

Did you see all the empty seats this weekend at the TCU game? BSU dosn't get any respect, except we keep winning. I wish we could play better teams, but every team still has to put on it's pads and play the game. Think goodness we didn't play Washington State this year, they really would have hurt our strength of schedule, don't they play in the PAC-10?

Go Michigan?

Would that be the same Michigan team that is 1-4 in the Big Ten? Who's only win in conference is against the worst team in conference? I mean if your going to criticize an undefeated team don't spout off about the sorry excuse for a team that you root for.

Would that be...

... the same Michigan that got their butts kicked this weekend by the Illini? Very impressive. I, as an Illinois alum, would like to thank your team for giving mine what will likely be its only FBS win this year. Sheesh, the trolls that post on this board really need to learn something about football.

As for the Duck fans, I'm going to keep posting this until it sinks in:

  • Nearly 4 times as many 1st downs (22 to 6)
  • More than double the total yards (361 to 152)
  • Nearly double the passing yards (197 to 121)
  • More than 5 times the rushing yards (164 to 31)
  • Five times the 3rd down conversion rate (50% to 10%)
  • More than double the time of possession (42:32 to 17:28)
  • Two and a half times the points (19 to 8)

The Broncos kept your "Heisman Trophy" candidate RB to 8 carries for -5 yards (yes, negative five yards) rushing, and caused him to have a complete meltdown at the end of the game. Oh, and I almost forgot, the Broncos beat your Ducks in Autzen last year, too! Come back and talk when your team learns how to compete.

Here we go again.

Here are the highlights:

  • Nearly 4 times as many 1st downs (22 to 6)
  • More than double the total yards (361 to 152)
  • Nearly double the passing yards (197 to 121)
  • More than 5 times the rushing yards (164 to 31)
  • Five times the 3rd down conversion rate (50% to 10%)
  • More than double the time of possession (42:32 to 17:28)
  • Two and a half times the points (19 to 8)

The Broncos kept your "Heisman Trophy" candidate RB to 8 carries for -5 yards (yes, negative five yards) rushing, and caused him to have a complete meltdown at the end of the game. Oh, and I almost forgot, the Broncos beat your Ducks in Autzen last year, too! Come back and talk when your team learns how to compete.

"TheDucksRock"

You gotta be kidding, Ducks. You lost to the Broncos last year in Eugene, you lost to them again this year in Boise. I don't believe you're a Ducks fan at all, just someone trying to work up a little controversy, someone to give a bad name to Ducks fans, most of whom would tell you you're full of duck poo. Oregon is a very good team right now, but they still lost to Boise State. Part of the Ducks' strength of schedule is the fact that their only loss is to a team ranked as high as BSU. The likes of Craig James and Kirk. H. are never going to be on the side of Boise State when the chips come down. They will stand with tradition, period. It isn't just non-BCS teams that get the shaft, either. When Arizona State ended Nebraska's 26-game win streak in 1996 by beating the Huskers 19 to ZERO, it took WEEKS before ASU passed Nebraska in the polls. You shouldn't revel in Oregon's gain at the expense of a team they can't beat, because if it somehow USC were able to pull the same stunt Oklahoma did on Texas last year, you can bet that USC would get the nod over your Ducks.

TheDucks

If 5 is too high for BSU, then where should Oregon be? Denial will not alter the fact that BSU dominated Oregon in everyway except the score as much as Oregon dominated USC. Even your coach mentioned BSU was a very good team that beat them. Obviously, class has not rubbed off on you.

lol

The best part of the week 1 victory is that Boise didn't dominate the Ducks--what the experts continue to say is that it was a sloppy week one performance by both teams and that either team could have won. That's what hurts BSU--Herbstreit said last night, and all of the others agreed, it's irregular that a team would jump another after having been beaten by the higher ranked team--but that's how he's going to rank them. It's so obvious to everyone that Oregon is legitimately better than BSU and deserves a higher ranking. I wonder how they would feel if your team hadn't tip-toed and struggled around a DIAA team--all of a sudden, that seems to matter now doesn't it? It must hurt...you're hurling insults about class so it must hurt...lol.

It was a clinic in total domination

Here are the highlights:

  • Nearly 4 times as many 1st downs (22 to 6)
  • More than double the total yards (361 to 152)
  • Nearly double the passing yards (197 to 121)
  • More than 5 times the rushing yards (164 to 31)
  • Five times the 3rd down conversion rate (50% to 10%)
  • More than double the time of possession (42:32 to 17:28)
  • Two and a half times the points (19 to 8)

The Broncos kept your "Heisman Trophy" candidate RB to 8 carries for -5 yards (yes, negative five yards) rushing, and caused him to have a complete meltdown at the end of the game. Oh, and I almost forgot, the Broncos beat your Ducks in Autzen last year, too! Come back and talk when your team learns how to compete.

Tip Toe...

...around the 1AA team with a ton of second and third stringers all night! If you knew anything about our roster, you'd have seen our backup QB in there, and lots of second and third team guys too. Our coach is too classy to run up the score (although that is what's required in order to get national attention any more...) He ran ZERO "trick" plays. He used inexperienced players. And we won.

GOBRONCOS!

Nothing to worry about

Every team has to go out week in and week out and win to hold there position and anything can happen. Fortuanately for the Donkeys they continue to basically top notch high school teams and really do not have to worry about wether they win or not. I don't see any glorified high school teams coming close to beating them. All BJC has to do is go out and have a good practice game once a weak and then hope that all those around them that are scrapping it out with big teams and big games around them lose and fall away thus sliding in by default. It will be proven when they do get into their bowl game against a realteam and the field gets mopped up with their back ends. If BJC wins their bowl game I will come here and congratulate them myself. Winning two big games this year (Unlike the 12 others have to win) Oregon and others still have alot of tough teams to get through. What does BJC have to worry about? You get my drift. That is why you really cannot respect this team they have not proven anything. And should they get upset by a high school team....their through. And Heisman trophy? Please this is really turning into a fairy tale.

Brian G
Oregon

Don't you have spell and grammer check

If you can't write or spell, don't post, you look like a kucklehead.

You must be Superman! It's text only!

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You Duck fans are

such a whiny bunch of azzwholes being that you're very sore losers and very un-gracious winners. Like others have said, do like your coach and team, and try to develop some class. There are many of us here that are rooting for the Ducks and you guys are too stupid to realize that. I watched your game last night, (I've watched several of them) and was impressed. However, I think it's a mistake to bring Blount in. Not because I think he should still be suspended (he shouldn't, two games would have been plenty), but the team's chemistry seems to be MUCH better without him. Even you whiny fans can't argue the results. But don't get too cocky, there's a lot of football left, and you guys might have to eat crow for the SECOND time this season. You do remember the first time, don't you??...Sunny...

The truth hurts

It truly must hurt...you're hurling defensive insults as well...it must hurt...lol. Seems to me the only arrogance lies within BSU fans who believe their team should get everything for doing nothing. Man it must hurt.

The only thing that hurts is having to file through this junk...

trying to find something to read that justifies the thread.

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Ducks

I hate Oregon for all of the obvious reasons, including abnoxious fans and unsportsmanlike behavior of players. But the Oregon team that beat USC is nothing like the Oregon team that lost to BSU. I'd love to see those teams play again, and I doubt the outcome would be the same.

You're right...

... they've lost several key players since then. They were at full strength when they were humiliated by the Broncos to start the season.

It's already getting fun...

Boise is a very good time that dominated an inexperienced offensive line with linemen (plural)who had never played on a college field and could not create any open lanes or protect the quarterback. Good for them. The fact is though, that USC was ranked ahead of Boise when we beat them. Not because of bias, but because they are a much better team. Oregon should (and will) be ranked ahead of Boise simply on strength of schedule, not BCS "bias". I don't recall saying that Boise is not a good team. They are just not good enough to compete with the top teams at the end of the season. Denial won't change that, either.

Inexperienced Duck Line?

I would wager that the Bronco O-line was even more inexperienced. Your Duck team this year has more Seniors/Juniors on it's bench than we have on our entire team. Quit making lame excuses for your team's hiney whoopin'. I would love to see a rematch. Just so that you sour Duck fans will finally quit with all the "we weren't ready to play" talk. Good teams are ALWAYS ready to play.

The Broncos...

Are the YOUNGEST TEAM in America. When will you cry babies learn that this is only the beginning of Bronco dominance? Broncos never make whiny excuses. They accept accountability and are gracious WINNERS!

Weak

Cite your source for the youngest squad claim...lol. Gracious winners that talk smack after their game and are pummeled in front of thousands of viewers...lol...great point. They really look like gracious winners when they taunt fans in the endzone as well. It's obvious they have nothing to prove this year...I guess I would taunt people too if I were so obviously disrespected in the polls...lol.

Dooker

I dont need to cite my source. Prove me wrong. We have 4 seniors and only 2 play. The next team closest team has 9 seniors. Come on Dooker, prove me wrong... All fans also taunt opposing players. Have you been to a game lately?
The fact that you are on a Bronco Blog trying so hard is proof of the Bronco dominance. Your little insides must be crying out to attack such a proud Bronco program. And one last thing. Being ranked in the Top 5 is not being disrespected.

Very sensible

Agreed. As well, Boise fans will never know how good their team is until next year when they play two or three tough games instead on one--it eats them up...lol. Any weak fact that supports their welfare is good...any obvious and objective fact makes you a "hater" and not a real college football fan...lol.

youth

BSU has the youngest team in Division 1 football. It's coaching and tallent. We get more out of what many say is less. Remember this quote "follow the money" and we all know why there is no true National Championship in Division 1 football.

REMATCH

I would love to see a bowl game with Oregon and Boise. No matter what the outcome, it would be a much better game that would be a true test of both teams. Please don't call me a whiny a**hole because you don't like what I said. I'm pretty sure that would not be considered classy by anybody.

BSU already beat you.

Why don't you take on another mid major (TCU) and get beat by them? You overlooked Boise b/c Kelly's main goal was to beat USC IMO, congrats you did that, but all along USC was way over rated already b/c they lost to UW...yes UW. They were only ranked where they were b/c of BCS bias. Thanks for exposing that team UO. FYI-Elite programs struggle but they don't lose games.

Weak

I wasn't aware Boise was an elite program...lol...and the rest of the world still doesn't think so--that must hurt. Don't elite programs play against elite competition? I see that on Oregon's resume but nowhere on BSU's resume...ever...sigh...too easy.

How long

and how much money has Oregon had to get where they are? Then how long and how much money has BSU had to get where they are? BSU did this in such a short amount of time and with minimal money that to not call them an elite program is unheard of if you know the meaning. Lets look that word up shall we? Elite: a superior group. Group: a number of individuals related by a common factor. I believe the common factor is the time that it took BSU to raise to where they are now. No other program, or maybe a few, can say they have done this so that makes BSU an elite program.

SHUTUP!!!

Rematch....that is exactly what you Duck Idiots kept saying after your 2008 beatdown in your own stadium....then you get beatdown again and you still want a rematch....what happens when you get beat AGAIN in a bowl game.....more excuses from a bunch of classless people who don't have a clue as to what the hell you are talking about.

The Ducks...

... already got their rematch with the Broncos. They lost that one, too.

In case you missed it, here are the highlights:

  • Nearly 4 times as many 1st downs (22 to 6)
  • More than double the total yards (361 to 152)
  • Nearly double the passing yards (197 to 121)
  • More than 5 times the rushing yards (164 to 31)
  • Five times the 3rd down conversion rate (50% to 10%)
  • More than double the time of possession (42:32 to 17:28)
  • Two and a half times the points (19 to 8)

The Broncos kept your "Heisman Trophy" candidate RB to 8 carries for -5 yards (yes, negative five yards) rushing, and caused him to have a complete meltdown at the end of the game. Oh, and I almost forgot, the Broncos beat your Ducks in Autzen last year, too! Come back and talk when your team learns how to compete.

Just because you have WordPerfect...just sayin' ;-)

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Rankings

BSU's being ranked below TCU is based on one discussion, what is more important, one solid victory and an average at best total body of work, or a solid body of work, and no great win? Each voter will have an opinion, but TCU has had a better season so far which is why they are ranked higher.

As far as the greatest win in the country, BSU beating Oregon at home, is not a more impressive win than Florida going to LSU in conference and winning, or Iowa going to Penn State and doing the same. The Oregon win is huge for them and the program though.

And for you to rank TCU below Iowa and Cincinnati is just a move to keep BSU ahead of TCU in the polls, because there's no logic behind it. TCU has been more dominant and has played more consistent than Iowa who week after week has struggled against inferior opponents, and played a much more difficult schedule than Cincinnati and again has played more consistent, way to vote with no bias.

good post

This is the first objective and worthwhile post that I have read on this message board. Good logic. I'll await the obvious weak hypotheticals BSU fans so love to follow up with...lol. Good post.

BCS......Bull Crap Sarcasism...

Iowa, TCU, Cincy, nor Oregon CANNOT beat BSU......The other three teams above them aren't in their locker rooms (or their Heads) saying "We Will Beat Boise"......Every school has "WEAK" teams in their Conference and/or on their Schedule.....Shut Up with "the who they play" comments, cause where I'm from it's " WHO YOU BEAT".....you get the "W" for wins, not for who you play.....This is not the "Rec" league, the "YWCA" 0R the "Boys and Girls Club" where it's not whether you ein or lose it's how you play the game........GROW UP Little Boys and Girls, this is the ADULT league!!!!!! Twist the twisted system to fit your "NEEDS", cause that's the only way BOISE does not deserve to be the #4 team in ALL POLLS......Come the end of the year when those "weaker than Boise" teams have lost, LIKE THEY WOULD had they got the chance to play us (Just ASK Oregon)CRY IN YOUR SPILLED MILK little Babies.......Every Football Field is 100yds, you get 6pts when you cross the goal line, and it's the same for EVERY SCHOOL in EVERY LEAGUE.....Will see you in the END, IF you're still standing.....GO MIGHTY BRONCOS

Im fine with TCU being where they are.

Complaining about TCU's position in the polls is like:

1.Bashing a coworker so that YOU get the promotion instead
2.The pretty girl clique bashing another pretty chick to stay atop the popularity "heap"
3.You get the point.

Both are good teams. Both have good wins. Both should play in a BCS bowl should they win out.

Go Ducks.

BSU will eventually get jumped by more teams than just Oregon. It is going to happen. The downside of playing such a lopsided schedule is starting the show. If Oregon played BSU today, they would rock BSU. Even the TV announcers have said that. BSU did beat Oregon though, I'm not saying that they didn't. But Oregon is a different team now and I just don't think that BSU could hang with them.

Back to watching last nights highlights...

"Even the TV announcer have said that" ?

It's a good thing you threw that part in there. I think it really adds some credo to your statements.

And I don't buy that Oregon would "Rock BSU" at all. Oregon has the advantage of playing in a hugely overrated conference. And they get all kinds of credit for it.

Overrated conference?

The PAC 10 has 4 teams ranked in the top 25. How many does the WAC have?

Just wondering.

True Blue!!!

You are correct.

The Pac 10 is a solid conference, among the best in the country. And Boise State thoroughly trounced their best team.