Is Fresno State the Broncos biggest rival?

The Boise State football team departs for Fresno, Calif., later today. The Broncos will practice in Boise before departing.

I am writing about the rivalry (or lack there of) for Friday’s Bronco GameDay section.

Boise State has won seven of the eight meetings between the teams since joining the WAC in 2001. Despite the results, the Broncos clearly consider Fresno State one of their biggest rivals. The schools play for the Milk Can, a relatively new trophy.

“There’s just something about going down there that gets everyone excited,” defensive end Ryan Winterswyk said.

A question for the readers: Is Fresno State Boise State’s biggest rival in the WAC?

Or is it Idaho, no matter what?

Onto the links

• The Fresno Bee presents a blueprint for beating the Broncos.

There are some interesting points in the article — and an interesting theory as to why the Broncos have lost four of their last five bowl games.

• ESPN.com blogger Graham Watson previews the game.

Interesting stat from Watson: In the last three meetings since the Bulldogs knocked off Boise State in 2005, Boise State has topped Fresno State by an average of 29.3 points. Granted, last year’s 61-10 rout skews the numbers.

• ESPN bowl projections:

Fiesta Bowl: Boise State vs. USC or Oklahoma State

Humanitarian Bowl: Fresno State vs. Colorado State or Minnesota

Click here to listen to my audio prediction.

• There is still time to enter this week’s Name the Score contest. All entries must be made in the comments section of this post.

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Unfortunately,...

BSU doesn't really have a rival. Fresno St. is not consistent enough to be considered a rival and they don't really spark that much more enthusiasm than playing the other teams on the schedule. Idaho, of course, is the in state "rival", but until they display a much stronger discipline, tenacity, passion, etc. for the game and make it a challenge for BSU that "rivalry" is pretty dull as well. Last years game against Oregon and "the punch" may have sparked a rivalry between BSU and Oregon, but they won't be a regular on BSU's schedule. I really don't see a strong "rival" on BSU's schedule.

Hawaii ?

I say Hawaii is the closest to a true rival, they play well and give us a run for our money. Plus they are a fun team to watch.

Hawaii ?

I say Hawaii is the closest to a true rival, they play well and give us a run for our money. Plus they are a fun team to watch.

I think their fans might actually respect us too. 'Bows are okay

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There is no life in Idaho...it is a mirror site on god's server. You were dreaming but it is over. Go to your residence and await our commands and THEN we will restore control...

What about Nevada

I been watching Boise State since the late 80s when I was in high school, our rivals then where Idaho and Nevada. Unitl Idaho gets better I think Nevada should count as our biggest Rival. We have a lot more history with them then either Hawaii and Fresno, clear back in the Big Sky days, and lately they have been as competative if not more so than both these team. I love to see the Broncos bet the Pack!!! not to mention for a while some of our players including a couple of talented QB's came out of Nevada's back yard.

Go Broncos!!

It's absolutely Nevada

For all us Broncos fans who have been around since longer than 2007, there should be no doubt. I will be the first to put Idaho in the bullseye once it's a rivalry again, but there's a real history between Boise State and Nevada. It's good, old-fashioned hate between those two teams. Not like the hatred for Oregon, where you just feel sorry for them as a ball club, but Nevada and Boise State both believe they are the rightful heirs of the WAC crown, and they show up for it EVERY YEAR. Both teams just flat out play better when it's against each other.

And that's what a rivalry is REALLY about. I'm glad Nevada's the Thanksgiving game this year—if Boise State sleepwalks through their schedule this year, Nevada will undoubtedly wake them up. Fresno State was supposed to wake BSU up last year, and Boise State rolled them and, well, they clearly needed something more to get them in bowl-game level fury.

What??? When we play

What??? When we play Fresno, it always gets things fired up-and playing down there can be brutal. Do you go to games? Fresno has had our number several times. Hawaii and Nevada although they both flounder in there out of conference games, they play us tough and can give us fits...remember??? and yes the Vandals...while they are not a powerhouse, There is no match up that brings the fire like that. The mood when we play Idaho is anything but calm and benevolent. It amazed me how good natured and friendly OU folks were after the game on the 3rd. None of the fights and altercations around the stadium area like after a Vandals game....Rivalry is much more than a score...

It's Idaho

However, the Vandals offer no competition but none the less it's Idaho

Rivalry??

The only real rivalry I see here is between myself and 2 neighbors, both FSU graduates. They build it up a lot as do their kids who are going to FSU right now but I don't see it. UO would be cool if we could get continous home/away out of them.

A rivalry is contingent on competitiveness and geography

You're from Georgia like me, so you're well aware of the UGA V FLA rivalry. It so intense that it's held at a neutral site and dubbed The World's Largest Cocktail Party.

BSU doesn't have anything close to that, however, if BSU were to get into the PAC-10 or the MWC, then perhaps we'd see a rivalry emerge between us and Utah and BYU, or us and Oregon, Oregon St. and Washington due to proximity.
The Oregon series was probably the closest thing to a rivalry that I've seen and it was an OCC game

Congrads to U of I

According to ESPN they are NOT one of the 10 worst teams in the country!

Truck Driving Diploma?

Congra(d)s, you must be a gra(t)uate of BJC. I'm surprised you were even able to read the ESPN website.

You Vandal fans are such

You Vandal fans are such wimps. Talking trash on a computer makes you tough does it?

???

Not trying to be tough, donko. Just trying to impart a little grammar/spelling knowledge to those who weren't fortunate enough to go to a real academic university.

none needed....

U Vandals make enough of your own mistakes. No need to focus on others'

mhcda

Are you sure about that mhcda? So we can safely assume you never make spelling mistakes or grammar errors? Or we can safely assume someone that has went to school at Idaho never makes grammar errors or spelling mistakes? Are you so insecure you feel the need to point out other peoples faults or mistakes just to make you feel better?

That's no Vandal, cat, it's the giant spelling anaconda! RUN!

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There is no life in Idaho...it is a mirror site on god's server. You were dreaming but it is over. Go to your residence and await our commands and THEN we will restore control...

Sry. Here is the Link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=bottom10091609

Hmmm....

The obvious answer is the U of I, just reference the comments left on this site every time either one of those teams are in the news. Just because it hasn't been a close game for 12 years, doesn't mean the rivalry is gone, it almost makes it stronger.

As far as a recent competetive rivalry, obviously the BEAVERS. The series is 2-2, with some very exciting games. The U of O games have both been dominated by BSU.

No Rival

We have none. Period.

Idawho?

I guess this answers your question.

Rivalry

Oregon St. the best=2-2 against them but they are not in our Conference. I

daho may be a rivalry in another sport but BSU has taken and ran so far ahead of Idaho that I don't see Idaho catching up. Idaho needs to go try to beat up on Idaho State. There's the in state rivalry. Least they would have a chance to win a few.

The Ducks can talk smack but they don't deliver=no rivalry

FSU beat BSU in 2005 but before and since then BSU kick back side=No rivalry

The closest one I've seen in the recent years come close to beating Boise is Nev. and SJSU.

I agree that the MWC offers more chances of rivalries than the WAC and getting a PAC 10 invite is doubtful at best. Let's get into the MWC.

BSU football

OK BSU wins a couple of games and you are already talking about taking on USC? Are you serious? BSU has some tough games coming up, I wouldn't be so brash. Just because Nevada got beat by Notre Dame I wouldn't count them out yet. I have doubts BSU would have faired much better. We will see.....

Mighty USC

falling to UW?? Every good team gets beat. I just hope I'm not there when BSU has a bad day. What am I talking about, until I'm six feet down I won't miss a game. Stay tough BSU.

Not Idaho?

Come on you blue and orange clowns. Why does every article talkling about Idaho illicit more Vandal haters than any article about any other Bronco opponent.

I wasn't hating

I was cangradulatin.

How many cans did ya grad?

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There is no life in Idaho...it is a mirror site on god's server. You were dreaming but it is over. Go to your residence and await our commands and THEN we will restore control...

No Rival???

Questions? Who has scored more points (101) points against Boise State in their last two games than anyone else? Who tied BSU in regular time and forced 4 OT's in 2007? Who outscored BSU 31-17 in the second half of their last meeting? Who plays a much harder schedule with no 1-AA teams? Who takes on 3 nationally ranked teams in each of the last two seasons? Who played two top 10 teams last year? Who does not play pushovers like Tulsa, Miami (OH), Bowling Green, UC-Davis? Who shared the WAC title with BSU a few years ago?

Answer. Nevada. That's your rival.

No...

They are not.

Okay, fine. You have the answer/just agnostic about it?

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There is no life in Idaho...it is a mirror site on god's server. You were dreaming but it is over. Go to your residence and await our commands and THEN we will restore control...

You are wrong about Tulsa

Tulsa is NOT a pushover, as they have consistently had a winning record for the past few years. Miami (OH) is usually pretty good, just not this year. I will aknowledge BG and UCD arent worth anything, but every team plays cupcakes (look at Florida's first 2 games this year).

I would agree Nevada is our only true rival, though, for some of the same reasons you listed.

If we went MWC, it would be either BYU (where there IS a game history) or TCU (strictly because of last year's bowl game).

Who...

... hasn't beaten Boise State in more than a decade, and holds a dismal 12-23 record (34%) versus the Broncos all time? Who's average score versus the Broncos in the last 10 years is 20 to 51? Who, despite having played the Broncos nearly every year since 1971, has won exactly twice at Bronco Stadium? Who lost to the Broncos by a score of 49 to 14 in that year that they "shared" the WAC title with the Broncos?

Answer: Nevada

That is not a rival.

Rivals

As a Fresno State grad, I hope your answer to the question is "yes." Despite an old rivalry with San Jose State that is the product of decades of competing against each other, the big rivalry for the newer members of the Red Wave is Boise State. We have great respect for the Boise State team, the coaches and community. While the outcomes of the games haven't always gone our way, we have always appreciated the old school approach of the two teams: line up, knock the snot out of each other, huddle up and do it again. The games have been great displays of talent, but the onus is on us! For a true rivalry to exist, you must win what the other wants. Good luck to all and we are looking forward to playing this on some green grass!

It's refreshing

It's nice to actually have a non-BSU fan actually sound intelligent, instead of smack-talking. Why couldn't the Duck fans be like this? All I read from them were:

quack...quack...late hits...quack...5th string QB...quack...quack...Johnson ejected...quack...gonna have revenge...quack...quack...Blount gonna run over your D...quack...quack...Masoli is the MAN...quack...quack...

Anyone notice how they've not said ANYTHING since then?

Thank you, jsegale, for showing some class.

The past

Tough to have a rivalry when you have only been in a conference for 9 years. Give it time to develope. If there is no clear answer, then there isn't a rivalry. Idaho, despite their tailspin into football mediocrity, would be the closest. Just because they can't play doesn't stop a rivalry. Look at Florida / Tennesee this weekend.

BSU has no rival in the WAC

BSU has no rival in the WAC. What team in the WAC wins more than one out of every 7 or 8 tries? Fresno? No. Nevada has been the one keeping the score close at least and making a game out of it, but they cant even win. The Vandals have not been much of a rival in the last 10 years. I am not going to slam on the Vandals because making fun of them is like booing the special olympics, but they really need to go back to the Big Sky to win any games.

I D A H O

Fresno State is a rival; no doubt about it.

But Idaho is Boise State's biggest rival in the WAC.

Ask yourself, which WAC team would you most hate to see Boise State lose to? I doubt you'll say Fresno State.

very valid point...

very valid point...

Fresno

"Ask yourself, which WAC team would you most hate to see Boise State lose to?" Easy answer. For me, to lose to the worst team in the WAC, would be embarrassing. Now if the team happens to be Idaho, then yes you are correct.

from the WAC standings...looks like Idaho to me.....

Idaho 1-0 1-1
Boise State 0-0 2-0
Hawaii 0-0 2-0
Fresno State 0-0 1-1
Nevada 0-0 0-1
Utah State 0-0 0-1
Louisiana Tech 0-0 0-2
San Jose State 0-0 0-2
New Mexico State 0-1 1-1

GAME SONG

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IDK ISBRIAN Can't you find them any?

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There is no life in Idaho...it is a mirror site on god's server. You were dreaming but it is over. Go to your residence and await our commands and THEN we will restore control...

Idawho?

In reading so many caustic and 8th grade-esque rants offered by a vocal minority of Idaho Vandal fans about matters and subjects not related to Vandal football; I have come to realize just how deep BSU REALLY is in your heads. May I suggest that you save your energy for game week with BSU? You are going to need that energy, and a miracle. If your fingers were your mouths, you would have laryngitis by now (and what a blessing that would be for the rest of us). So please give it a rest. You represent a decent school very badly. Good luck to all the TRUE Idaho fans with your remaining schedule... AND Go Broncos.

Currenlty under development...

First off a rivalry needs to involve repitition. This would currently exclude all non-conference teams for BSU. (6 games or more?) Secondly a rivalry needs to involve pride or competing for the same goal, i.e. a championship, bowl game slot, or fan base. This would leave us with Fresno State, Nevada, Hawaii, and Idaho. The final ingredient and true test of a rivalry would be raw emotion on both sides. I think Fresno State would fit this shoe, although there isn't much in the way of hatred or a grudge match feeling anymore. Hawaii would be a good candidate, as they seem to be a classless bunch. If only they could put together some more wins. Nevada certainly has the history factor, a bit of a crossover in fan base and competitiveness, but seems to be lacking the emotional factor, at least on the Boise side. This leaves us with Idaho which is resting heavily on the fan base and emotional factors. I would say this is probably the best rivalry from a fan vs. fan perspective, but I can't imagine the Boise State players have this game at the top of their list. I would say we don't really have a good rivalry right now. The hype and smack talking leading up to the Oregon game shows that it could certainly explode into a rivalry, but I don't think they are stupid enough to keep playing BSU. Oregon State? Could happen. It would be nice if we played Utah and BYU every year, as it seems it would be beneficial for all parties. I could see the Utah game becoming a rivalry quickly. Just imagine if the games were played at the end of the season...

You vandal and Bronco fans are funny

I work with both Broncos and Vandals and for some reason you guys don't think you are rivals yet you despise one another. I asked a Vandal buddy of mine the other day about rivals and he said Boise State for football and Utah State for basketball. Evidentally you can be a rival on one sport and have a completely different rival for another. I asked the Boise State rabid fan who was their biggest rival and then he broke it down by conference. Well in the Mountain West it is probably a tie between Utah and BYU and for the Pac-10 it is probably Oregon although it used to be OSU and for the WAC it is between Fresno and Hawaii... I said no Idaho and he laughed and said who have to win every once in a while to make it a rivalry. So I asked him about basketball and he said who cares about basketball...

You fans are comical....

Ask any Cal fan who their rival is and flat out it is Stanford. Ask any Bruin fan who their rival is and flat out it is USC.

Notre Dame...

... might argue with you regarding USC.

The Vandals

Does Idaho still have a football program?

Idaho or Nevada

Fresno is overrated every year and they dont play up to their potential, granted that 2005 team was a good team and they almost beat USC. But our true rivals are Idaho (no matter how bad they get) and nevada. Nevada has given us the toughest matchups and cause our team a lot of havoc. i mean 4 OT?!

BJC again demolishes "Da Vandals"

To mhcda and your very old laughable BJC comment.....

BJC, ha ha, like little kids, you can't beat us, so you call us names. Hey, no problem call us BJC, because that just means that even a Junior College is a much better football team than, "Da Vandals". U of I, weren't you once a division one football team and part of the Pacific Coast Conference, you know the PAC-10. From there you downgrade to 1AA, because you were losers. From there you had to move to the Sun Belt Conference, because no one else would take you. Then you had to ride the coat tails of BSU to join the WAC. How many times and years have "Da Vandals" been one of the worse ten teams in the nation. That is not just talk, that is where you have been ranked in the polls. In fact you have been listed as the worse football team, clear down at the bottom of the worse of the worse, 120 out of 120. Be proud this year, CBS Sports has you at 114, so there is only 113 teams that are better and only 6 teams that are worse. So go ahead and call us BJC, because you can be proud that you are the worse of the worse, and Boise Junior College is ranked in the top ten and you are ranked 114th out of 120 teams.

BJC or BSU, whatever you want to call us, we will stomp the lowly 114th ranked "Da Vandals" again this year and then on into the future. Maybe you should move to the Big Sky, at least you might win a few more games. Of course, then might not take you, and they don't need the dead weight.

.......and that's another losing season for "Da Vandals"!

Rivals, Not “Da Vandels”

Rivals, is defined as “One that equals or almost equals another in a particular respect.”

While we don’t like “Da Vandels”, they are not Boise State rivals, we just like to beat them soundly year after year after year. Just look at the definition of a “rival”, and UofI, the perennial WAC bottom dweller, can’t be a rival. Looking back over the last four seasons, Nevada and Hawaii have been the most consistent rivals, with Fresno and La Tech next on the list, with no uofi in sight.

Personally when I think of Boise State’s WAC rivals, I think Nevada and Fresno. Hawaii had its one run, and when they lost June Jones, they lost quality coaching. When I think Nevada and Fresno, the teams maybe good or bad, but the coaching is good and I respect their coaches and coaching staff.

"Da Vandals" rivals, no way. They are just the hated football clowns from the northern part of the State. Rivals once, but not for many, many, many, many, years. Everybody know the directions both program have gone, so they will never be our rivals, but will continue to be our door mat.