A balanced approach to improving bicycle laws

State Sen. Elliot Werk, D-Boise, has made good use of the time he has spent commuting by bicycle.

The four-term legislator is talking about an even-handed, common-sense series of bills to help curb cycling accidents.

Werk is promising to push two bills that will play well with fellow cyclists. He is backing a bill requiring motorists to maintain a three-foot buffer when they pass cyclists — an idea that has been adopted in several other states, and has been embraced by local cycling enthusiasts such as Boise attorney Kurt Holzer. Werk also wants to push a bill making it illegal to harass or throw objects at cyclists.

By the same token, Werk wants to slap an additional $50 fine on cyclists who violate the rules of the road. A tough medicine, and yes, it's punitive. But as a cyclist and occasional cycle commuter, I have no problem with it.

Fair is fair. As I've said before, I've seen plenty of stupid behavior by motorists and cyclists alike. If we're going to crack down on boorish drivers who crowd or hassle cyclists (and we should), then we should also crack down on cyclists who work out their Tour de France fantasies by flying through a red light without stopping.

It's also shrewd politics. We've seen enough finger-pointing this summer between motorists and cyclists. The last thing we need is a repeat performance at the 2010 Legislature. A balanced approach is the only realistic way to get legislators to do something.

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Green Light, Red Light

R. KR, a cyclist can legally go through a red light.
So you writing a negative comment about such a thing implies it's (always) illegal and promotes the falsity.

Maybe the Statesman can do their part by regularly publishing the rules of the road for cyclists.

We ALL ride bikes at some point right? (unless someone is WAY TOO FAT and a burden on our soon to be created socialist health care system. Down with socialism! Down with FATTIES!)

Udapimp, I'm ROTFLMFAO...

Actually, I haven't an A but a nice B (as in belly) and at 282 KRS-BIKE and CO. can still stare at it as I pass.

Your daily CHUTZPAH from a real Mensch Maschine

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Red lights

Yes, cyclists can proceed through a red light, but must stop first. So they cannot, as I suggested, fly through a light without stopping.

I have changed my blog slightly to reflect this.

Kevin Richert
editorial page editor

Words

..fly through a light without stopping. is different than "flying through a red light."

But I see you have corrected your text. Job well done, KR! You deserve a writers award this year! (or just steal one of Rocky's).

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But really, I would like to see the cyclist who 'flies through a red light without stopping AND without looking." He would get the Darwin Award if he lives long enough to accept it. So he/she just does a "California stop sign" move -- Not any different than those people jaywalking Front Street for the Courthouse.

By the way, even-handed from an odd cat?

Only if he's Top Cat. Only then if Augie Doggie, Doggie Daddy and Quickdraw McGraw are in the cartoon.

WORD

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fiar is fair

So why is it fair to punish riders with extra fines? Why is it worse for them to break a traffic law than a driver? It seems to me that it is more to make drivers feel better than having any worthwhile reason.

I'd prefer the existing laws get enforced more strictly (running red lights, speeding, etc.) than adding new laws for either party.

I ride and drive.

Coincidence?

Maybe Werks is not aware there are already laws and fines in place for cyclists violating the rules of the road.

See the article in today's online version of the cyclist fined on Franklin road. $46 I recall.

You have to register a vehicle, an off road vehicle, a boat, a dog, a motorcycle,,,, When will the city/county require bicycles to register and use the funds for improving bike lanes?

Not fair, and poor policy to boot

Why is it worse for them to break a traffic law than a driver?

Exactly. It is NOT worse. A law-breaking cyclist primarily puts himself at greater risk, whereas a law-breaking motorist may put others at risk of grave bodily harm.

If fines for traffic violations are incorrectly structured for some reason, modify them. But tacking on "and $50" because someone's riding a bicycle is just bizarre. After Werk distanced himself from it as "an idea I've heard," he then promoted it because haven't you heard, the Legislature can't figure out how to pay for highways.

peds beware

"A law-breaking cyclist primarily puts himself at greater risk"

FB, apparently you have not seen a cyclist cruising (way too fast) down the sidewalk to "greet" an unsuspecting pedestrian coming through the door onto the sidewalk. Pedestrian/cyclist collisions are just as likely as vehicle/cyclist. Pick your danger.

I've seen plenty

And I've seen endless streams of anecdotes offered up to support positions in the car vs. bike discussion threads.

Cars kill people in cars, on motorcycles, on bicycles, pedestrians on the sidewalk, and occasionally people sleeping in their houses.

Bicyclists occasionally kill themselves through stupidity, and produce a variety of minor injuries, yes, even to the occasional pedestrian.

That's relevant to this discussion in what way?

I've only seen a few cars that drive themselves other than KITT

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I agree

I'm completely at a loss as to why anyone thinks this is fair. I bike commute regularly and also drive. The consequences of failure for a bike to observe the rules of the road are already severe. They sometimes pay with their lives. Fining them extra seems ludicrous. Just start enforcing the law, period.

And related to the fairness questions there might be some constitutional implications. It strikes me there are some equal protection concerns with regard to the proposal.

This started from three traffic fatalities, none of which were apparently the result of cycling negligence.

Most bloodletting starts from unrelated events and ideas.

Why should anything occur differently at this point?

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Nonsense is nonsense

KR: Fair is fair.... If we're going to crack down on boorish drivers who crowd or hassle cyclists (and we should), then we should also crack down on cyclists who work out their Tour de France fantasies by flying through a red light without stopping.

Since you're in a unique position to influence public policy, would you mind thinking a bit more (clearly) before you fire for effect?

Fairness, and the utility of "cracking down" has exactly nothing to do with how it could possibly make sense to levy a surcharge fine for users of one mode of transportation.

Naw, DARWINIZE THEM. Then we don't have to worry. SHEESH!

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Another issue that seems to get overlooked

Society needs to encourage cycling. People grouse about cyclists not paying to use the roadways (patently false since most also drive) nobody seems to be addressing the fact that cars pay next to nothing to pollute our air. One of the shifts from the recent election was a decision to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and address the severe consequences of global warming. Penalizing bikers is the wrong direction for public policy. It should be the other way round.

Bears repeating

with emphasis:

Society needs to encourage cycling.

Improved physical fitness, efficient use of resources, less CO2 and smog, more chance to interact face-to-face, IT'S ALL GOOD.

So, how do we encourage cycling? (Hint: a $50 surcharge on traffic fines is probably not in the running.)

A bicycle is a vehicle and

A bicycle is a vehicle and must be subject to all the laws and traffic control devices a driver of a vehicle is responsible for. Cyclists have an especially serious personal responsibility when sharing the complex traffic environment to interact safely.

As I travel around town daily I am reminded that cyclist & cyclist groups continue to “aggressively” ride the white lines defining the separation of traffic lanes and refuse to ride single file, so traffic can pass safely and then they get irritated when you haven't given them a huge margin when we do pass.

The option Idaho law provides cyclists when to ride two abreast must be eliminated as our streets & highways our city streets are not designed to safely accommodate nightly runs of side by side aggressive riding groups forcing innocent drivers into unsafe conditions.

As a daily bicycle rider on the streets and in the foothills it is very disturbing that local cyclists have failed to see the poor solutions of the past (special considerations for cyclists to ignore traffic control) already create daily havoc on our streets, unless we all observe the same traffic control, appropriate street designs are built and serious cycling laws are implemented, it will never get better.

Come fellow (Taters) Idahoans get with it and let’s stop the knee jerk solutions to serious problems and let’s develop and establish something for the future of our communities and show that cyclists and vehicles must coexist, see you idiots in the foothills or on the street, good luck all!

So? You're a dude...shoot them or some stupid thing.

Don't be a do-nothing.

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When riding in the getto of Edge City you are riding to escape.

Hookers and their skin dealers are your friends as you scream by. There is no law, you look at a red light, check out left and right and hammer through. Stop, and be hassled. Quad RR tracks and manholes are a common hop platforms. Locals enjoy a skinny white boy flamin' through their hood.

No Coltrane?

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Thats a great sound, but wrong era and mabey too blue.

I was thinking more of a Grover Washington Jr. riff, for my time zone.

Laws we should have, but will never see...

Here are some laws that we should have on the books to improve bicycle safety, but I will be shocked and amazed if they ever come to be.

Mandatory bicycle registration and licensing. Time for the bicycle user to pay his or her way for all the services they get compliments of the auto user.

Mandatory use of bike lanes. No excuses...use the provided bike lanes or get off the road. If no bike lanes are provided, have only one set of rules of the road for ALL users.

Mandatory helmet use for all minors. Think about the car seat and seat belt laws that apply to parents with minors in the car.

Three foot pass law applicable only when bike lanes are not provided. If the bicyclist is riding the the bike lane, there should be no need for enforcing a three foot pass rule.

I would also like to see Boise PD and other law enforcement agencies write more tickets for passing a turning car on the right especially when the passing car enters a bike lane. But I am so naive, that I actually think a red light means stop; not proceed in a hurry.

Pots and Kettles

"I would also like to see Boise PD and other law enforcement agencies write more tickets for passing a turning car on the right especially when the passing car enters a bike lane."
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I have witnessed a BPD officer do this exact violation.

It's right up there with police talking on their personal cell phones while driving. Oh and link over to the boiseguardian story about the LEO killed while driving and not wearing seat belts: http://boiseguardian.com/

DO ANY?

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You all repeat yourselves a lot, no?

It's almost time to start flagging that. Darlene keeps begging us not to broadcast the same manifestos verbatim
but I think it's hopeless.

There IS a valid reason for flagging. Since you clowns will never get your acts together anyway, maybe the paper can appease all of us and find more drunks and sex offenders to rail about and other stupid things can take the place of bicyclists.

Today Shemp joins the other Stooges for a matinee.

I'm totally slayed. WHEEE

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