'The future of Idaho is not contained in the North End'
Sen. Nicole LeFavour, D-Boise, elicited that response from Gov. Butch Otter's budget chief Wayne Hammon after asking about the lack of bike paths in the governor's transportation funding package.
"I know it sounds frivolous," LeFavour said, "but this emphasis on cars and roads with a total lack of dedication to public transportation. We can't keep going down this path. We need to prepare for the future."
Hammon replied: "The future of Idaho is not contained in the North End. There are people all over this state that don't have the option of riding their bike to work."
The quip drew "oohs" in the viewing gallery and in the Joint Finance-Appropriations Committee.
When chided by Sen. John McGee that he would not be able to show his face in the North End, Hammon joked, "I always go to Java Downtown anyway."
After the meeting, Elliot Werk, D-Boise — who rides his bike to the Capitol Annex often — said Hammon was expressing 1950s view of transportation.
"It's a shallow view of what transportation is," Werk said, adding that travel only by car is leading to obesity, pollution and funding of Middle Eastern nations.
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Instead of expanding I-84 we should have been building bike paths between Caldwell and Boise. Instead of trying to come to some road solution that would ease congestion on State Street between Eagle and Boise we should build bike paths. Bike paths from West Boise to downtown. Bike paths from Kuna to Boise. Bike paths from Mountain Home. Bike paths from Fruitland. Bike paths from Emmett. Bike paths from McCall. Heck, even bike paths from Lewiston and Pocatello.
I have seen the future, and it is bike paths. I've got a fever, and the only prescription ... is more bike paths!
bike paths everywhere!
Now you got it! Hell, let's use the stimulus money earmarked for education, to build more bike lanes and maybe we can pave the paths in the foothills, so the northenders won't have to get their feet muddy while walking Fifi!
You are the same guys
screaming to drill here, drill everywhere. You errant ways just increase dependence on Iran, Russia and Saudi Arabia making transferring all out wealth to them when America needs to start utilizing other means. And you're willing to demean your friends, neighbors and fellow Americans in the process. Real nice.
Excellent!
I totally agree!
bike paths and exercise vs. auto congestion and pollution
Might do you some good to look at your comments seriously, not just comically. Perhaps you need a good two-wheeler.
Prepare for the future?
Why? I've got rose colored glasses even though my hindsight is 20/20.
Mr. Hammond needs to learn to keep his comments in check
I was listening to the presentation. Interesting enough, Sen. LaFavour's statement was made in the context of rural areas, not the North End. There was no need for this dig.
OK maybe he shouldnt have BUT...
She isnt and wasn't concerned about rural areas. She represents the North End right?! We all complain about political double talk or politicians who dont respond directly. Hammond response was direct. He's no politician. Besides why should we build bike paths when we have infrustructure needs?
Infrastructure?
Landscaping the Wye is infrastructure?
"Needs to learn"
Its so annoying when someone says a person needs to "learn a lesson." Get over yourself! Oh so sorry he hurt you're tender little feelings! It would be a perfect utopia if we could all ride bikes to work and not consume our natural resources. Get realistic, Mr. Hammon was right on the money. So sensitive, the Northenders!
What?
You wanna demonize and belittle other Idaho voters? They don't have a worthy point of view?
Future
The future of Idaho is not Clement Leroy Otter.............
We could make him like Max Headroom though...
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Gilligan inhaled
Haha, no kidding.
Idaho has a lot more pressing needs for $$ than bike paths.
Oops..Hammon. My mistake.
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Reread the story
The Gov is not requesting bike paths. He's using the money on infrustructure. LaFavour wants the bike paths, which may be good for the North End but as for the rest of the state I don't think so.
You're missing the point.
No the Governor is not requesting bike paths. He is not looking at any transportation needs or improvements besides roads for cars-cars that need gasoline, gasolline we IMPORT at record levels. It is shortsighted to only consider roads when considering transportation. Do we never look at the big picture or plan for the future? Bike paths alone were not the point. The pont is we are not looking at the whole picture. Transportation needs include walking, biking, buses, light rail-whatever MIX works best in different parts of our state. And, yes, I live in rural Idaho. Two of our transportation problems are the lack of regional public transportation and the fact that there are no shoulders on many of the roads, let alone sidewalks or bike paths.
No, she's just goofing around and not paying heed to the meaning
of what it's all for and in cruise control. Quit dinking around, lady, earmarks on earmarks is leaving us with tired pork that now asks for hearing aids.
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Bike Paths
Are you kidding me? Bike Paths from Caldwell to Boise, Boise to McCall. Yeah- THAT will solve "climate change" and funding to the Mid-East. I can see it now- crowded bike paths to Caldwell. Another example of how disconnected North Enders are. Put on more patchouli,
Look into this
The Gov would rather spend $$ landscaping freeway interchanges. Public transportation and alternative transportation are sorely lacking here. Just because of of you obese, sedentary folks do not believe that a bicycle can be transportation does not mean the rest of us feel the same way.
landscaping
if you look into what they have planned it's a lot more landscaping -- it's the water drainage and other stuff required by the feds for off ramps. and since the feds are going to make idaho do it, why not use their money to comply? i'm with otter on this one.
'Loaner Bikes' Program
In the mid to late 90s, there were 2 different private efforts of 'loaning' (honor system) bicycles to people needing transportation in the area. They both failed after a very short time of operation - a notice in the paper stated discontinuation due to insufficient funding for maintenance and theft. These programs were modeled after a successful program in Portland, where riders could pick up/drop off bikes at designated spots. All bikes were painted identifiable yellow.
There is the strong possibility the program - for this area - really did not fill a public need - at that time. Has the need really changed since then? - would bike ridership increase if there were more bike paths and another program created? Speculation........ Anyone elso know any more details of the programs?
Oh, an 'aside' - Wayne "Joe Biden" Hammon hath (mis)spoken -again! Sure does do Otter proud!
Theft is too rampant now to do this. We just aren't Sweden.
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Unfortunate comment(s)
My husband and I live on the Bench, not in the North End, and use our bikes to commute all over the place in Boise, as do several of our neighbors. I recently spoke with a woman on the elevator of my office building downtown. She lives way out on Fairview, not in the North End, and commutes 14 miles a day on her bike.
The snarky comments about bicycle commuting and "Northenders" are divisive and uninformed.
good for you
i think it's great that you get the option of riding a bike around time, but is that really an answer for someone commuting from payette to boise everyday?
Its not meant to be
Its meant to help America reduce dependence on foreign oil. If you wanna live that far from work and spend 2 hours in a car everyday, don't come crying to your government when OPEC cranks up the price.
No, they aren't There are some GLORIOUS freaks about.
You and I don't live there either. Listen to those who've been there, done that.
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Were you listening to the discussion?
She even clarified that her comments were made in rural context (it isn't impossible for a legislator to consider things beyond their own district). Her comments represented a difference of opinion but were made in a respectful way. His were not. Believe me, he didn't hurt my feelings in the least. I happen to agree that bike paths are not the top priority. However, Hammon's comment could have simply stated the priority need for other infrastructure around the state. There was no need to take a jab at the North End or any other district. Now the news story is about the North End rather than transportation needs in the state.
LaFavour was not talking about rural Idaho
I was there in the room and listened to the full context and nothing she was saying had anything to do with rural Idaho. Her quote in this story is accurate as is Mr. Hammon's.
The story leaves out that she ran out of the room red-faced after the exchange and did not return for 20 minutes of the presentation and missed important questions and answers about state employment and education cuts and funds. We she did returned she spent much of the remaining time rolling her eyes and making faces in regards to Mr. Hammon's answers to said questions. I found it to be quite childish and not very senatorial. Afterwards, she ran out to do as many interviews as possible to continue to whine about "bike paths."
I DO think we need expanded public transportation in Idaho and encourage non-vehicular commuting but the Senator's fit was an attempt at grandstanding that failed. Mr Hammon's point while very direct was that we have WAY higher priorites than bike paths.
Back forty don't need bike lanes.
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Had he simply answered the question
there would have been little or no interviews for LaFavour to give because there wouldn't have been an issue. Her grandstanding opportunity could have easily been extinguished. Instead, he added fuel to the fire. I just think he showed a lack of focus. Now we will have another distraction about his comments rather than a focus on the real issues. I just think it's a shame that's all. From your report, it sounds as though LaFavour's actions were also inappropriate..but two wrongs certainly don't make a right.
You are
You are right about two things. Focus needs to be on the real issue and shes also a grandstander. Certainly Hammon could of been more polite. He did however, see her question for what it was. Two wrongs dont make right, but dont be the first to make a wrong either.
Love the comment!
Sometimes folks in the People's Republic of the North End need to be reminded the universe does not revolve around them.
Funny
Obama bent over backwards to accommodate Republican criticisms in Congress over his and Democrat's better judgment. Demonizing a district in order to belittle legitimate concerns on alternative transportation methods is divisive and closed minded which forecloses possible solutions.
He's still kinda over a barrel too.
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What Mr. Hammon means is....
that liberals and progressives should be seen and not heard in Idaho. Let's not challenge the status quo and keep doing things the Republican way so that Idaho can remain the land that time forgot.
insert face into palm
perhaps they can settle things out in the playground during "recess"
The problem with the North
The problem with the North End is that it's full of North Enders.
All modes of transportation need help
Bike paths are only part of it. Many neighborhoods were built to primitive standards and have no sidewalks also. There are many ways to get around, including foot and bike, and our infrastructure needs to accommodate that. Our kids are getting fat and lazy because they don't ride their bikes, and can't safely ride them or walk to school in many areas. Infrastructure for pedestrians and bikes is a crucial part of the equation. The funny thing is, the North End and original rural townsites and downtowns are uniquely Idaho neighborhoods, made completely by Idahoans and with native materials, not like the California cul-de-sac subdivisions with imported styles and materials. Original Idaho neighborhoods are what Idaho was. Put them down and you put down Idaho.
Hoffman caught in his
Hoffman caught in his ideologue way of intolerance as he singled out the North End neighborhood not for bikes but as a racist slam against Ms.LeFavour. There is no mistaken that Hoffman comment was one of intolerance using a very successful neighborhoods diversity to make a racist slam against the State Senator elected by that district. Boise North End neighborhood is one of the most educated and successful in Idaho and includes an incredibly diverse demographic of great neighbors and families that anyone would be lucky to have. Hoffman veiled attack on a diverse neighborhood definitely continues the conservative republican intolerance movement that is a problem in Idaho, thank you republicans for continuing to publicize your intolerance, once a racsit always a racist.
Im confused
What in the hell are you talking about?
WTF????
What makes you think the North End is diverse? It's as white as any gentrifying neighborhood. Most of the racial diversity in Boise is on the Bench - check out all the ethnic markets on Orchard, or example. Irrelevant to this discussion anyway. People need transportation options, including sidewalks and bike paths, regardless of where they live and their race.
i83701: your comments never
i83701: your comments never make sense. You should think about what you are going to type before you start typing away. And your comment about the north end being one of the most educated in idaho is completely bs.
HAMMON
hoffman? what connection is this?
'tude adjust
What you obese people need to realize is that alternative transportation is not a North End issue - it is Statewide.
Every bicycle you see represents one less person alone in a car - less cars on your precious, crowded roads that you need because you are too fat to walk or ride a bike.
I do not, nor have I ever lived in the North End.
My main mode of transportation is a bicycle.
kliphy
You're comments would be justified if you didnt generalize everyone and everything. Now you just sound like an idiot! I ride my bike for exercise and fun. However, I dont commute to work on it because of time restraints with family, community endeavors etc...I am 6 ft 3 200lbs. Glad to know you think Im fat/obese. Guess no Milan catwalks this year!
you know
you could commute by bicycle without really paying a horrible time penalty, if a penalty at all. People who cannot fathom any form of transportation other than driving around alone in a car are either: obese and physically unhealthy; working to become obese and physically unhealthy.
Our current cultural theory that exercise and physical health are things that we "add on" to our lifestyle to improve the experience is totally bogus.
Our current cultural theory that only the automobile is satisfactory for personal transportation is more than totally bogus.
So you think those that live
So you think those that live outside of boise can commute into boise without any time restraints. Is this what you are saying. I drive to meridian everyday from southeast boise and I think I am physically fit. I don't need to ride a bike to get physically fit, there are other ways that I can achieve this.
lots of people I know
live in Boise, work in Meridian and ride a bicycle for transpo (I have done the same). Also, I've lived in Meridian, worked in Boise and rode a bike for transpo. I live in unincorporated Ada County now, 2 ridges away from Boise, have an office in Boise and ride a bike for transpo.
Oh yeah, and how is it that you are physically fit without any exercise?
no answer?
so you don't stay physically fit then.
Or you do, and you spend a bunch of time at some activity.
Combine commute times and activity times and use this number to compare to the actual time it takes you to commute by bicycle. This is a fair comparison and will usually result in the "it takes me little time to commute by bicycle" statement.
Be a participant rather than spectator.
Life is what is happening, not a goal.