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Controversy
Submitted by David Langhorst on Fri, 02/29/2008 - 2:38pm.
One commenter recently decried the fact that we “politicians” deal in controversy as a way to move other people to our point of view. Maybe controversy is inherent in the legislative process, where debate is the central tool. To many who do not practice it, debate can feel very aggressive. Or maybe controversy is even more elemental than that; maybe it’s simply human nature.
Legislators do not have to create controversy.People bring it to us daily because it’s our job to sort it out.
On Wednesday, I and eight other Local Government and Taxation committee members heard two contentious bills, with testimony and debate that lasted for almost five hours.
The first involved an effort to allow greater controls over “transition homes” which house men and women recently released from incarceration and people seeking recovery from addiction. Homeowners who prompted the legislation, while acknowledging the need for transition homes, testified about their concerns for the safety of their families and their neighborhoods. They supported decreasing the allowable number of adults to five (the norm for single-family residential zoning) or zoning restrictions to move these homes into light industrial areas.
Operators of the homes pointed out that the success of their program relies on full-time supervision and programs, and that limiting the homes to five residents would make them economically unfeasible. Some current residents spoke of the benefits of being in residential neighborhoods, where they feel motivated to become regular members of society. Others credited the transition homes with keeping them from re-offending. An employee of the Department of Corrections, while neutral on the bill, did cite a concern that restrictions on the number of people could result in more homes in more neighborhoods, with less supervision.
The second bill, House Bill 470, was much more technical involving federally subsidized low-income housing projects. The question, brewing for decades, was whether county assessors should consider the federal payments on equity in the buildings as “income” when using the income appraisal method.
Assessors said this would be more fair to other tax payers by avoiding a shift of the tax burden to them. One also noted that competing rental property owners could be at a disadvantage if the subsidized apartments were appraised based only on their lower rents. Developers and building managers noted that their taxes are already nearly equal to non-subsidized apartment buildings and much higher than any of the neighboring states. An executive from the Idaho Housing and Finance Association testified that the projects, with their rents fixed far below market rates, could not bear the added tax expense and that some existing and future projects would be unfeasible.
But this issue too had its human, emotional side. In the days leading up to the hearing, hundreds of emails and faxes flowed into the Capitol annex. Many targeted the committee chairman, and these were of the sort where senior citizens pleaded to not be thrown out of their homes. There was an implication that a developer had purposely exaggerated the situation to create fear among the residents. One couple drove from Rexburg to tell the committee how important the affordable housing had been in their lives, allowing them to afford a college education and contribute to society. A retired woman told a different story, of how she had worked and paid taxes for decades and now relied on affordable housing for a place to live.
These are two examples from among the hundreds of bills we vote on every session. Many legislators strive to learn both sides of an issue before casting a vote. It takes a lot of effort to sift through the nuances; things are rarely as black-and-white as an advocate on either side would claim. But at the end of the debate - after all of the people on both sides have made their pleas – it’s our responsibility to vote. People bring their controversies to the legislature. Sometimes there are good arguments on both sides, and we know that our vote - either way - will leave some people feeling harmed or wronged.
So it makes sense that politics is controversial. And it makes sense to criticize politicians, using rational arguments, for voting the wrong way (i.e.: not your way.) That’s a wonderful part of the public discourse. But it seems hypocritical to me when people criticize politicians for dealing in controversy. We were put here, by you, precisely to do this job.
Sen. David Langhorst
Idaho Legislature
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You put yourself there by running for office.
If you didn't run for office, who would have voted for you.
No controvery, fights over, so get back to work.
That's what the boss at my job would say, has said, & it didn't matter, right or wrong. Even if the boss was losing money & I showed him how to save or quit wasting money. Ask Dari Gold which used my ideas to save hundreds of thousands of $ on my ideas then fired me. My boss lost $ through what appeared to be kickbacks in the highly subsidized dairy industry. He had to start selling snow mobiles when the company didn't need the outside carrier he brought in at $50 more per load than company drivers could & quit using as many old semi trailers he leased at $1,200 a month, years on end, which could have been purchased for a few thousand $, one time cost?
I answered a letter from the corporate office asking for information into theft, fraud, & waste which emphasized no retaliation. They used my advise, relocated a warehouse to Boise verses Fruitland saving thousands of miles a year in transportation costs by eliminating the need to outsource transportation, money for empolyees as one driver could haul 10 to 12 loads a day verses four, & leasing/renting less equipment. They paid $160 per load to an outside carriers, four to eight loads a day while renting trailers at $1,200 each plus eight or more loads by Dari Gold drivers to haul to Fruitland. Required more trailers at $1,200 each & more hours by more Dari Gold employees making $20 an hour, kmore fuel to run trucks & reefers, more gridlock, pollution, accidents whcih did occur. I could go on.
With fuel costs, diesel at $3.25 & up, pollution, traffic/gridlock, & trucks doing much of the damage to roads compared to cars the cost of leasing in Boise is less than lease in Fruitland plus transportation I would think Dari Gold & the Gov. & legislature would appreciate a citizen stepping up. If you can't get the job done speak up & I'll make some suggestions to help you out.
But then what's more important? Agri business which contrubutes to the campaign of our representation or the health of the people/taxpayer, roads, gridlock, tax $, pollution, the EPA coming in to cut federal $, & a list perpetual? If Otter & the rest of our representatives want money for roads they might look within the pocket in which they're so comfortable.
When my boss harrassed me, corporate wouldn't step in so I made life a living h-ll for Dari Gold. Brought in the Federal Motor Carriers & DOT for an audit in which they gave Dari Gold a pass in log book violations & inspections which were handed over, dates & times! I was told by investigators that they gave Dari Gold a break in violations, allowed 10% without penalty? That should make people driving next to a semi feel good. What good are regulations when the law gives corporations a pass because they're in agri culture. Look into the laws & regulations & you should find it interesting that AG related businesses can run less regulated than over the road trucks. In many cases just because they're close to home, no log book, longer hours. I guess a driver doesn't get tired after 24 hours as long as he's within 100 miles of home.
When Dari Gold came out bragging they passed the audit with flying colors & my boss continued to harrass me I sent pictures to the USDA of trailers that hadn't been washed out in two years & the USDA went to Dari Gold & made them clean them out. Recent articles about food poisoning, E. Coli, beef recalls, & Mad Cow should make people think about the things we can do as individuals if the highly subsidized dairy, agri corruption, & our misrepresentatives won't. I don't need their job, I need the representation I pay for.
Other drivers at Dari Gold cowared when my boss told them their jobs would be lost if they don't cover up. They are some if Idaho's best no doubt putting money ahead of food & conditions the food their customers eat. Dari Gold sold private label to WINCO, Paul's, Ridley's so you decide what milk to drink & if milk should be Idaho's berverage. There were several occasions we delivered milk one day & had to go pick it up the next because it was bad! Much of it already sold, returned & thrown out because people took one drink. If Senator Langhorst would like to see pictures I'd be glad to send them. I didn't think so.
You can also decide if Otter who would raise vehicle registration to $150 per vehicle, use good judgement when he had his flunky write me a letter stating the USDA & FDA do inspections. If they do inspections, why hadn't the trailers at Dari Gold been washed out in two years? Do they do inspections every three years? That's how the recent beef recall came about isn't it?
Read the label on ground beef the next time you're at the store. Cook at 160 degrees for however long before eating. The USDA OKs that too. Another recent article in the Statesman pointed out problems, years later which people unforuntate enough to get food poisoning or E. Coli, should they live through the initial illness. Kidney failure sound like a day in the park?
Do you know what E. Coli is Senator? Enjoy your next burger/sh-t sandwich & glass of bacteria/milk. Do your kids eat the same beef or drink the milk sold to public schools, inspected by the USDA? You might want to pack them a lunch. Road kill might be safer.
^Dude, don't waste the Senator's time
You apparently need a doctor, not a legislator.
He works for the people so
who is wasting time? Dude went away a long time ago. It's 2008, 21st century, check the cal., dude. That's been gone so long, right on has come and gone again. I guess we can judge by the century you're in as to what you what meds your on.
8 years as ancient history...
I'm guessing that we still worshipped Zeus when you wore a toga!
Read your comments before grey
And I think you are a wee bit on the loony side.
I'm watching Kraftwerk and have no idea who you are addressing.
I believe I see now: Thank you.
Yeah this ones a bit out
Yeah this ones a bit out there. If you run your own website and are looking for more traffic check out the google magic formula i just read it and thought it had some really useful information
GG, it's one word...
"Darigold".
Idaho Statesman, 3-04-08, NAFTA to editorials
continue to show disapproval of our representation. While our misrepresentatives themselves, {BSali} point out disapproval numbers some people continue to support representaives of millionaire status who spend millions of their own $ to get elected. Why would they do that?
Doesn't matter how you spell it, a certain few will never admit they have been taken. Gamblers never lose either. I can't help but wonder if those who suggest others need a doctor aren't seeing one themselves, or should be. Others who suggest ideas they would never have thought of don't have any of their own, go along with the people who manipulate them through public service, if that's what you would call it. I call it a shell game, slight of hand, a manipulation.
Politics is like the article in the business page, Survey: Patients pick up on companies' drug ads. Patients are easily duped into asking for drugs they don't need because they saw an advrtisement & the doctors, some suggest we need, sell us those drugs & whatever else they can while we're in a panic about something we don't even have?
Politics work the same way. It's all a manipulation, a scam, a con game & people who fall for it wouldn't listen if they were about to gove away their last dollar. Like Benny Hinn slapping some poor slob accross the head & suddenly he can walk. The blind can see if they give me all their worldly possessions, I'll save your soul from those evil doers.
Bush's war in Iraq is doing a bang up job of saving US from terror too. Iran & the new Iraq will no doubt be partners in the oil business before long, while WE the People pay $4 or $5 a gallon for gas & $150 auto registration fees. We'll no doubt be in Pakistan fighting terror with someone like McCain preaching war, war, war.
I don't care, pay the $150 registration, grocery taxes on top of a farm bill worth billions, drink the rotten milk, eat the E. Coli, pay your representatives $170K a year plus health care & retirement while you lose all the same. Don't forget why, campaign contributions! Somebody made bank on American blood.
I didn't vote for Bush, Craig, BSali, or very many of the people in office, now or in the past. I didn't go along with NAFTA vote for Clinton either. I'm not republican or democrat, I'm an American. Too bad that can't be said for either of the two parties selling US out for profit while sending Americans to war. The same two parties taking millions, {campaign contributions} in return for billions in tax cuts which average Americans will pay an enternity for.
What percentage of Americans disagree with the war in Iraq? 70%, they must need a doctor & the other 30% must be right in their mind. Broke, but doing as they're told & of healthy mind? What are those approval ratings? 14% for Congress, 25% for Bush. Don't count me as approving of the job they do while they take millions & hand out billions.
You're an American?
I suspect you are, but you did not state if you were from Canada, Mexico, or the U.S. Could it be you are one of those expansionist folk who while from the U.S.A. claim all of America as their own? We (the U.S.) are but one of several countries in America.
I am confused too about "Bush's war in Iraq." I am unaware of any such war. I am aware that we have a battle front in Iraq in the Global War on Terror (GWOT), as we have battle fronts in Afghanistan, and other countries - those known to the general public, and some unknown.
I am also confused about your economics. If we will pay for "an eternity" for tax cuts, exactly how long would we pay for tax increases?
Do your homework, Sir nOOb...
He's definitely one of Ye Olde US, Spud Central.
If you couldn't figure out I'm an American,
it's little wonder you're unaware of Bush's war. Confused & unaware pretty much covers it. I never claimed to own anything but the property I am buying, & paying more than my share of taxes evaded through campaign finance. Those are the tax cuts I'm talking about. Who do you think pays more taxes when corporate unAmerica pay less? Does the number $9 trillion sound familiar?
I don't have a problem fighting terror, just agree with most of America in that Iraq wasn't the threat Bush claimed it was. Maybe you have something on those WMD that you could share, something we don't know. If you were so afraid Iraq was going to attack US, let US know what the threat really was. They couldn't fire a scud across their own border & hit a target in a neighboring country, did they have the technology to nuke US?
Why spend billons & drive our economy into recession, following in Russia's footsteps? Is the the value of an Ivy League education from Harvard or Yale? Clinton cut our military & Bush did a 180. Between the two of them they pretty much prove the two party joke we call democracy doesn't work very well. Volley back & forth, undo everything the other party did while taking campaign contributions & handing out tax cuts in return. Promote free trade, illegal immigration, & war. That has American written all over it. If I don't agree with the way our government is doing things, maybe I'm not as American as you would dictate I should be.
The only reason 09/11 happened is failure by our government. The warnings of terrorist using of planes as bombs was out there years before it happened. Why didn't the President, Clinton or Bush or Congress for that matter, do something before that real threat instead of spend billions after 9/11 in a war we didn't need when the threat of WMD have been proven not to exist? That's all history, proven history.
Who is American? Who is just another republican trying to justify voting for a mistake & not willing to admit they were wrong? Those terrorist are going to get you. What's the problem, so scared you can't sleep at night?
Years ago we had President that said we had nothing to fear but fear itself, he got the job done without claiming to be a war president. Now we have a self proclaimed war President/oil man using fear as a tool to make money.
Full dosclosure, lets see how much $ the Bush dynasty has made in the last seven years. Let's see where all our representatives have their money invested. If they have noting to hide they won't mind.
Clinton's war...
You are right about the tennis effect. President Clinton cut 1,600 analysts and field operatives from the CIA during his two terms as President. The result was a major attack on our soil.
President Bush had to grow our defenses dramatically and the result has been no major attacks on our soil.
I'll admit I was tricked too on the WMD's...I suspect they were not there or had been already sold or destroyed. However, if you'll read my national column on "Al Qaeda in Iraq" you'll better understand the "rope a dope" strategy and why it makes sense to keep a battle front there if we can.
You did say you were an American, I understand that...you just didn't say what country you were from. Germans are from Europe, but they are Germans first. When I travel internationally people ask if I am from the U.S., not if I am from America - they know America represents multiple countries.
Clinton's Fault!!
I've heard that the attack which Bush was explicitly warned of and which he explicitly ignored in favor of the PNAC agenda was Clinton's fault for many reasons, but this is a new one for me. I do a little Google, and there's Cheney demanding cuts in defense spending during Clinton's administration! And what else do I see? A balanced budget! A budget surplus! I see a President harangued by adulterers and prostitute users and serial marriers, and millions of taxpayer dollars in the pockets of Republican lawyers who attempt to impeach a popular President because he got a blow job. But the attack was Clinton's fault because he cut some dead wood from the CIA?
If President Bush were so concerned about growing our defenses, he wouldn't have committed the unprecedented act of cutting taxes during a war. The "result" you speak of is your opinion only, since we can't say how many attacks we would have had if we had went after the perpetrators of the 9-11 attacks...you know, the Saudis. I was certain there were no WMDs prior to our invasion of Iraq. It made absolutely no sense to ionvade if there WERE. You were fooled by Bushco.
I find your callow "rope-a-dope" statement repugnant. How many innocent Iraqi people have died, so we don't have to defend our country where we should be defending it...in our own country.
mtomlin, I don't write a national column, I'm not a world
traveler & I don't always see eye to eye with Coultergeist but his reply, Clinton's fault!! is pretty much in line with the way I feel. I wasn't fooled into WMD, didn't vote for Bush, once let alone a second time, & the sooner we get the self proclaimed war president out of office, before he attacks Iran, the safer we'll be. Did I agree with Clinton's actions? NO! Do I agree with the witch hunt over a blow job verses war criminal/profiteer we have in office now? No! Bush should be under the scope. Where is Congress & the US Senate?
I understand all the yada, yada, yada about our presence & need to be there but to start a war to get there was ingnorant at best. Old man Bush didn't go into Bagdad when we had world support, why? Junior didn't do it to liberate or WMD, he did it for reasons we may never know & always pay for.
I don't know who you are, can't say I've ever read your column on Al Qaeda but if you give us the information as to where it can be found I'll give it a read. I doubt I'll ever agree with anything Bush has done while breaking the US economy. The Bush dynasty has no doubt made millions or billions before it's over & now Bush as President, {self proclaimed war president who has never won a war} claims to have made a million dollars in 2007? Can Bush tell the truth, is he capable? Let's see if Bush has the guts to show the world how much the Bush Dynasty has made since he started his war & continue to show how much they make every year for the next decade or two. Write a column on that.
I personally know people who lie, cheat, & steal then use religion as justification & a front for what they do. They see no wrong in anything they do as along as they have religion as a front. I doubt they even believe in God.
Lilytomlin get a clue.
Canada is not America. We just watch hockey and drink beer.
Hoser.
Take off.
Oh no, be forgiving, let's go living in the past...
It only works for bicycles and old cars or stereos or tube radios and records.