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Why hasn't anyone objected to the closed Democratic caucus?
Submitted by Raúl R. Labrador on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 12:30pm.
The excitement in the media generated by the Obama visit (you would think that no other major presidential candidate has visited Idaho in the last year) and the upcoming Democratic caucus makes me wonder why no one has objected to the closed nature of the caucus process. As I wrote in the Idaho Statesman last year, “[t] he only political party that currently holds a closed candidate-selection process in the state of Idaho is the Idaho Democratic Party.” (How can Democrats cry foul when they hold closed caucuses? - Idaho Statesman, 6/29/2007). The only way an Idahoan can participate in the Democratic caucus is if they sign a statement affirming their allegiance to the Democratic Party and pledge to vote for the Democratic Party presidential candidate in the general election.
Ironically, just a few months ago, the Democrats, left-wing blogs and the local press where going wild over a Republican plan to close the primaries. According to them, this would bring about the end of civilization as we know it. Seriously though, when the local media discussed the possibility of the Republican plan to close the primaries almost with contempt. In fact, they made sure that one or two political scientists and/or pundits emphasized that this was the “right wing” of the party trying to preclude independents from voting.
But now, these same groups and individuals are absolutely giddy with the prospects of high turnout in Tuesday’s Idaho Democratic caucuses. Where is the concern these pundits had about the independent voter when they were discussing the prospects of a Republican closed primary. Democratic Party Chairman, John Foster, was quoted in Sunday’s paper saying the caucuses are “the single best organizing opportunity we’ve ever had in our party’s history. We’ve been planning to take advantage of it for six months.” Not a single political scientist was called to complain or bemoan the Democratic Party’s participation in the closed caucuses or their plan to identify voters and energize their party. Hmm, I hate to be cynical, but maybe the local media and pundits have no problem with the concept of closed primaries and caucuses as long as they benefit the Democratic Party?
Rep. Raúl R. Labrador
Idaho Legislature
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Seriously?
This is a one-party state. The democrat primary is of little significance. Until they're in a position to bloody you a bit, it doesn't matter.
They are in Super Tuesday for the first time...
since 1980. Why are you kidding yourself?
difference between state and national
The distinction is between national and state primaries. I haven't heard anyone complaining about closed Republican presidential primaries. The issue is closed *state* primaries, and it is being pushed primarily by the right wing of the Republican party out of concern that Democrats and independents are supporting more moderate candidates.
1) They only have two really viable candidates!
2)Why let a wedding crasher in?
3) Who's afraid of the Democrat Wolf?
I'll HUFF and I'll PUFF and I'll BLOOOOOOOOOOW YOUR STRAW POLL DOWN!!!
Because it's not a closed primary (caucus)
It's not a closed process. Anyone can show up, attend, go....if someone wants to be 'counted' they do have to declare (at least for that time frame) that they are a Democrat.
Ironically, just a few months ago, the Democrats, left-wing blogs and the local press where going wild over a Republican plan to close the primaries.
Wasn't the difference that Ron Crane wanted it closed to those who were 'truly Republican' or at least to those who declared Republican for a greater length of time than the few hours or so of the caucus or primary? In other words, it would not remain an open process as it is now.
Lowering the ethical threshold
The Republicans lowered the ethical threshold by trying to restrict democracy and transparency in their own election cycle. That opens it up to everyone else to do the same. I'm disappointed that the democrats did something similar, though at least they only went half way.
Come to think of it... lowered ethics has been a hallmark the last several years. Defining torture, incarceration, burning out the military and using them as police, heaping debt onto our children, giving our tax money away to the Aristocracy, etc.
1/4 of the way MAYBE
Qwest arena could not hold 8400 people AT ONCE due to occupancy laws, but those who knew who they were voting for are to be commended for doing so quickly and leaving to allow others the shot. I don't think that anybody in the party could have truly foreseen the Obamarama slingshot effect or that the public would be so highly charged and eager to participate.
Democratic political affairs have been sorta DEAD for almost 30 years. The capacities of the Qwest arena and Nampa Civic Center would have been more than enough in any other instance.
Rather than shut people out I think the organizers bent over backwards enough to tie a knot of themselves. If the silly comparison has to be made, this is their own Fiesta Bowl.
To clarify!
If you want to vote you have to be there and stay there, start to finish, as I understand. Tardies will not be served.
Is that what you mean by 'closed'?
that's correct
I don't know what foreignoregonian was referring too.
Returning the favor for a nickle.
Woe's me! The liberal media is beating me up again....
You really ought grow a thicker hide, Mr. Labrador--you're in politics after all. Your first post was about how some people say mean things about you and your party and how unsettling that is for you. Now, you're complaining that the media is ganging up against you, too. Quit your whining already.
The reason why people are not objecting to the Democratic caucuses is because you're comparing apples and oranges. Note these important differences:
1) The Democratic presidential caucus is entirely paid for with private funds, not state money. Republicans are advocating that elections that are paid for with state (taxpayer) monies should be closed and exclusive.
2) We don't make our caucus information public. By proposing a closed primary and requiring party registration, one's party affiliation will then be a matter of public record. In Idaho's many small towns, making someone's political affiliation public could place in jeopardy one's livelihood, standing in the community, etc. Idahoans believe in personal privacy and independence--nothing about the Democratic caucus compromises either.
Hence, your comparison is not valid, which is why the media is not writing about it. I understand that you must be in a tizzy after seeing 15,000 people turning out for Obama--it must be tough to stomach that you're on the wrong side of local political and demographic trends. Your district will also go blue shortly, and no amount of hair splitting about the least important issues of the day (as you've done above) will change that.
Wishful thinking?
The governor's office and presidency are not likely to provide "coat tails" in Idaho, and I see little evidence that it's mattered in a long time. Since Frank Church's exit few Democrats seem to be able to escape scandal or political firepower. Bill Sali has had counterparts over there...
Democratic candidates in Idaho and my region of Oregon have historically had perceptions of being weak or just not worth checking out for whatever reason. Sometimes none even file for 30/60...Denny Jones routinely asked his Democratic Party supporters to write him in.
Bill Sali is a one-term rep
"Bill Sali has had counterparts over there...." Really? Who? This is his first term.
LaRocco (which party was he?), Echohawk, think and you'll...
find more who didn't make it to black belt.
Bill Sali is a one-term rep
"Bill Sali has had counterparts over there...." Really? Who? This is his first term.
Bill Sali is a one-term rep
"Bill Sali has had counterparts over there...." Really? Who? This is his first term.
Give me a break!
"We don't make our caucus information public. By proposing a closed primary and requiring party registration, one's party affiliation will then be a matter of public record. In Idaho's many small towns, making someone's political affiliation public could place in jeopardy one's livelihood, standing in the community, etc."
Does that mean Democrats are not going to distribute their caucus information to candidates to be used for direct mailings, phone banks, and fund raising? Will everyone who has access to those voting lists be taking an oath of secrecy?
I agree Idahoans have had a thing about party anonymity in the voting booth dating back to our populist roots, but the fears you cite are greatly exaggerated. What is so secret about being seen walking into a Democrat caucus meeting and having pollsters conducting entrance and exit polls? If people in small town Idaho are so worried about their reputations being destroyed by having an R or a D behind their name on a public record at the election board (how often does the town busy body check that record?)would they not also be afraid to be seen entering a caucus site as if it was akin to attending a KKK meeting? Do people in small town Idaho refrain from using bumper stickers and yard signs? There seemed to be plenty of press coverage inside the Qwest arena last Tuesday. I fail to see how people's privacy is protected by these very public caucus proceedings.
Primaries were invented for the parties, and there is not a thing wrong with any political party wanting its candidates to be nominated by people who profess to share their political ideology. Closed primaries paid for by tax dollars have been around since the Progressives first initiated them. While I don't particularly admire what the Progressives were thinking when they created our primary elections, the fact remains that general election turnout is enhanced when all parties have a list of their most likely supporters to work with on election day. Parties construct these lists anyway. Party registration just makes their work easier. It is largely the uppity Independent voters who consider themselves above partisanship who bulk at party registration.
Ya talkin' ta me...
(my best Robert DeNiro)
Apologies for the triple post.....
.... I have no idea why that happened.
Don't worry...
I didn't suspect that you had joined the Army...
If you want a closed primary election, pay for it
Mr. Labrador,
Don't you argue apples and oranges? As I understand it, the Republicans want closed primaries and will have the taxpayers pay for them. The Democratic Party presidential caucus is paid by the private sector.
If the Republicans were to show private initiative and create legislation that allowed for closed primaries paid for by a political party (Lord knows the Republican Party in this state can afford it), then your argument might have some traction. But as it stands right now the Republican idea of a closed primary paid for by all Idaho taxpayers is just another form of welfare.
Cheers,
Bernard
Oh My GOODNESS!
Don't use the W word! It makes these here fellas queasy!
Closed WHAT?
If it were a depends it would fail Q.C.
It's leaking into the next block.
Dude, your partisanship is showing...
by ignorantly arguing that the Democratic caucus is the same thing as the Republican call to establish state monitored party affiliation and closed primaries. If you cannot tell the differences between the two, how did you pass the bar?
That is usually a good thing...
passing a bar.
Either way.
close primary
I fail to see the difference between a political party wanting only its members to choose its leaders, and any other social or religious organization wanting only their members to select their leaders. Babtists don't elect the pope, Boy Scouts don't elect ACLU leaders. Idaho voters don't choose the Mayor of New York City. The problem is that groups tend to choose as their leaders the most faithful. The most faithful may not have the interests of the larger group as a priority. You want a solution, you start arguing for "favorite voting" in most elections. Seven people running for the same office? Vote for one or more up to six. Voting for seven is pointless. Voting for six isn't. At least one of the candidates will get a majority. Most votes wins.
We could just draw straws and shoot the winners til 1 remains?
DA! VE COULD....