Fish and Game chief seeks public trust on wolves

You can feel the frustration between the lines of Cal Groen’s short defense of the state wolf plan.

Groen, director of the Idaho Department of Fish and Game, has heard people from around the nation refer to the carefully written plan as a “blueprint for slaughter.” Wolf advocates have portrayed Idahoans as bloodthirsty killers, just waiting for permission to wipe out the invaders from the North.

Fish and Game managers like Groen can’t help but take this criticism personally. They have devoted their lives, their careers and their reputations on protecting and managing wildlife. So this month he wrote a column he including in the agency's press release packet this week.

“The Idaho Fish and Game wolf management plan aims to maintain the gray wolf’s place on the Idaho landscape,” Groen writes.

Fish and Game staff loved wildlife too much for the Idaho Legislature in 1995. The lawmakers suspected then that the agency was on the side of the federal government, not them, when the wolves were reintroduced. They thought Fish and Game biologists wanted wolves in Idaho.

They were right. I can’t think of many of the Fish and Game wildlife managers I knew back then that didn’t like wolves. So the Legislature banned the agency from managing wolves in the interim and the federal government gave that job to the Nez Perce Tribe.
Now Groen is trying to convince wolf lovers internationally that he and his department can be trusted to protect wolves.

“The plan is meant to manage wolves as other big game species are managed successfully in this state. One part of that success, once wolves are removed from the list of endangered species, will be to maintain Idaho’s control of the wolf population rather than allow it to fall to a point that places wolves back onto the federal list and under federal management.

“Fish and Game will apply the same professional wildlife management practices to wolves as those applied to elk, white-tailed deer, mule deer, moose, black bears, and mountain lions; all of which have recovered from critically low populations during the early 1900s.

“What we can do, and fully intend to do, is monitor wolf populations intensively through hard work and solid science. If our work shows that, for whatever reasons, wolf numbers appear to be sliding toward a precipice, action will be taken to stop that slide. The key is using science to adapt our management to actual conditions at ground level.”

Trust is the key issue in this debate and Groen is seeking that trust:

“The point of wolf management will be to stabilize numbers, not to cut wolves to an absolute minimum. In fact, the plan recognizes wilderness area packs as “core” populations and as “source” areas for surrounding regions.”

For Groen and his department managing wolves will be a balancing act. Today he seeks to ally the fears that his people, men and women who have devoted their lives to wildlife, are not planning to crop the wolf population back to the minimum to stay off the endangered species list.

But tomorrow he will have to convince Idaho lawmakers that the costs of killing more wolves is too high. In the end, I suspect money talks.

The Problem

The problem here is that in meetings with the Senate Resources and Environment Committee that IDFG commissioners are entertaining the use of aerial gunning and poisoning wolves as part of adaptive management. Publicly IDFG is saying one thing while saying the exact opposite in little attended meetings.
http://wwpblog.com/2008/01/17/idaho-senate-resources-environment-committee-meeting/

There is no reason to even talk about poisoning or aerial gunning if they don't plan to drastically reduce the wolf population outside of hunting them. These things are not mentioned in their draft management plan specifically, they are hidden under the "adaptive management" monicker.

It's not that you can't trust the government to manage wolves it's that you shouldn't.

poisoning

Poisoning the wolves should be ruled out right away. This chemical should not be in the market anywhere. It should be against the law.
This is a cruel form of a way to kill off any animal alive.
I pray the lawsuits start to fly and fast. The wolves only need to be controlled where they are going after the farmers livestock.
How many times do they have to prove that they are NOT hurting the Elk and the Deer population. They are flourishing as we write.
This was all a scam when they reintroduced the wolves. There was always going to be a plan to have them hunted. This should be proven cruel and unusable punishment to this particular creature.
The only thing you can do to a wolf is mount it unless you are a sick person and eat it. They should of never reintroduced the wolves here if so many people are against them. Shame on them.
Now we need to protect the farmers. But not the hunters. This state is looking like abunch of people that want to kill to just kill. I feel sorry for the hunters that do take the sport seriously. But people should not be so greedy. Leave the WOLVES alone except buy the farmers. This population where it is right now is not out of control. If there was 3000 of them then yes worry about it but as it is its fine.

fish and games statement

Elk and deer survival remains high despite the growing wolf population in Idaho.

The wolf population has risen to more than 800 wolves in the 12 years since they were reintroduced. But the overall survival of Idaho's two favorite big game animals remains high.

Elk and Deer survival

You say they remain high but for how long? Something has to give and elk and deer hunting brings in way more $ than some flea bitten varmit ever will. Don't go back to commenting on the Wisconsin and Minnesota thing either.

So get them a Burger King!!!

The elk and deer are more likely to be ruined by OUR folly, not the wolves' and you get the bizarre notion that they just run around all day and night eating things.

Wolves don't get obese. They eat when there is need and sometimes only after not having had any food for awhile. Wolves sense the weak and cull them. Then again, so do some humans but HONESTLY.

Wolves only grow in number as much as they can survive to. 800 is a drop with no bucket.

Wolves are smarter than we are but then again it takes no wisdom to wipe out things we won't understand.

They don't only kill the weak

They will kill a very healthy 6X6 bull if there are enough of them to tire him out and drag him down and that is a fact. So if the wolves kill all of the animals out of an area won't they just move to another area and keep killing what's there? Seem's logical to me. It will take years to rebuild the elk polulations, the outfitters are already feeling the impact from hunters not booking hunts because of the wolves.

Go pet one.

They WUV YOO.

Yes, they can kill healthy

Yes, they can kill healthy elk but during the winter bulls are less alert and in poorer condition because they have gone through the rut in the fall which consumes a lot of energy and they are using more energy searching for food than paying attention to their surroundings. Don't assume that the big lead bull is in prime condition after the rut and will survive the winter. He isn't.

Can you point to any area where wolves have killed all of the elk? Can you point to any area where drought, harsh winters, and habitat aren't the driving force behind elk populations. You bar stool biologists thrive on myths and fairy-tales. Face it, wolves are not the wasteful killers and baby rapers you would like to make them out to be. They aren't competition to real hunters but mostly the lazy ones that won't get off their duffs and walk but would rather shoot an elk from the back of their ATV or the seat of their pick-up truck. Hunting is called hunting for a reason.

The outfitters would do well to not complain about the wolves to their clients, instead they whine and moan about the wolves so their clients get the incorrect impression that there is no game to be had. Good businessmen.

to bad wildman

They know how to manage them better something this state needs to compare to. MN they need a control hunt. But they won't slaughter them like has been talked about here in Idaho. And its all true. There is nothing wrong with learning from experience.

terigro

who brainwashed you? that guy/gal named Hippiewlf, show me something that says the state wants to slaughter them. C'mon I dare you. Fish and Game wants to issue tags just like they do for moose, elk etc. it's right in the draft plan. God I wish you transplants would move back to where you came from.

Brain wash

It was said on tv how a guy does not care if they are poisoned.
And from right here in the blogs how people don't care if they all die. So why don't you move back to where ever you came from.
My husband is in Wyoming right now and he told me how he saw atleast 200 elk in the open. Thats a big pack of Elk. How can that be if the wolves are killing them off. And again F&G say they are doing fine even with 800 wolves still around. Atleast hunters where I'm from and my family goes hunting we are out to only hunt eating game. NOT A DOG. You are right though if I had it my way and my husbands job did not move us here I would be home. I have alot more respect for the hunters there. The hunters that have been on this site are just to whilley nilly here. And they sound to lazy to want to have to get out of their pick up trucks and work for the hunt.

Don't even get me started terigro

My family has lived in this valley since the 40's. Well he saw 200 elk in the open well lateda do you realize they are on their winter range. Probably in the open so they can see what is coming after them. I'm not into eating dog either but I sure would love to have one of those pelts in my family room to go along with my moose head, six mounted deer heads, a beautiful 6x6 bull elk mount that my wife and I packed out nine miles. Lets see there are more, one antelope a full body turkey mount, two coyotes and a fox and more bird mounts than I can hardly count. So don't tell me that I'm lazy and don't get out of my truck. You are the one that is not from here so go back to your flat land.

GOOD THEN DON'T!

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Wildman...

you ignorant ----!

foreignoregonian

No you ignorant SOB! Move back to your communist state. Piece of Chit!

I haven't been any further than downtown here lately...

What is it with all you cranky troll types? Big deal. I get tired of confused people who think I've entered Idaho because I post on IdahoStatesman.com, like the internet is only in Idaho. Think about it. It must truly bug you that you can't right click and find my IP.

I haven't even set foot in Idaho for over 1 week and that was to pick a repair up, plus I got a ride. My bike broke last week and I may have to replace it (have a bead on that too).

PS I don't even get into Fruitland much anymore so I think you are safe at Club 7.

Nobody has been hurt there for a long while.

foreignoregonian

Good! Let's keep it that way and keep your A** over there across the border. We don't need you spending your cash over here anyway. Maybe you post over here because your crappy town doesn't have a paper.LOL

We've had one since the early 1900's!

And one in Vale, formerly one in Nyssa, one called the ADVOCATE before the ARGUS OSERVER a long time ago and a few short-lived ones including the one that lasted one issue then the editor just SPLIT with the press.

Nyssa gets the Press Tribune also.

I can help that you don't know anything about Malheur County. Where were you born anyway?

I was born in Mercy Hospital on 16th near Holly Shopping Center in 1966. You know, the one started across the streets from St. Peter's Catholic Church? NNU is a ways down the street?

Were you left in an old cigar packing box behind Hannefin's or were you dropped off at George's Gyp Joint?

Don't argue with me, Wimpy. I've lived here and been all over here for most of my 41 years and actually know what you have no idea about. My family has been in Idaho for four generations, both lines. You won't get anything but blue in the face arguing with me, so try to be useful.

HUH foreignoregonian

You must be blue in the face after that rant. Well guess what, my family has been in the Meridian/Eagle area since the depression so we must have something in common. I was born in Boise in 1968 at St. Lukes, you know the one downtown by Warm Springs and BSU is right across the river. and have lived in Meridian since then. So don't argue with me either WIMPY. By the way what is Hannefin's? I know of the Gyp Joint but I wouldn't be caught dead over there any way, just a real crappy part of the valley. Crime, gangs etc. Bunch of low life's.

Hannefin's

was a tobacconist shop of note for decades in Boise. It recently closed as I remember hearing. Boise cigar smokers bought their favorite products for a lot of the 20th century there. Perhaps I have the name slightly off but I think there is somebody by that name in the Meridian or Boise Fire Department who may be the Chief?

idiots

My family has been here since columbus got here....So screw both of you. Go have your pissn match somewhere else.

giants suck!

Hope you are not an Eli fan?

They really sucked...

holding the Vince Lombardi trophy...YUP!

So you qualify...

for handicapped Conestoga parking?

OH THE NERVE.

what if i am???? Its still better than being a BSU fan. Now back to the subject

Wolves are not extinct.

they type blog responses I understand.