More laughter than anger at Fish and Game wolf meeting

Idaho Fish and Game’s meeting on its wolf plan prompted laughter, not anger Thursday night in Boise.

Jon Rachael, the southwest region wildlife manager for Fish and Game moderated the meeting that had an even number of wolf advocates and opponents. Some of the other meetings around the state have been as heated as ever, demonstrating that, as Yellowstone wolf biologist Doug Smith says: “The wolf issue is the abortion issue of wildlife management.”

But here in Boise people on both sides of the issue were respectful of the questions raised by their opposites. Rachael's humorous, laid back style of presenting the plan kept everyone loose and the tension low.

Wolf advocates, certain that Fish and Game aims to let hunters and federal gunners kill as many wolves as they can, focused the department’s lack of detail in determining what conflicts trigger killing and its apparent wide flexibility.

Hunters, just as certain that wolves are everywhere eating all the elk they never saw this season, expressed concern that the plan’s numbers don’t reflect the reality on the ground.

Rachael explained that the plan, written in a similar manner to plans for cougars, bears, elk and other big game, is by definition very general. Biologists and the Fish and Game commission will use it to guide decisions on setting seasons and dealing with specific situations that come up after the state takes full control.

Most of the issues, he said are social.

“This isn’t a magic scientific equation,” Rachael said.

The reality is the department is going to have to adapt and learn as it goes. Wolf numbers are at least 800 and the population has been growing at a 20 percent pace despite another 20 percent dying annually due to control actions and natural mortality.

That’s going to give the department a big cushion between the current population and the 150 wolves envisioned when the Idaho Legislature wrote the state management plan this department plan is based. In general, the plan calls for “stabilizing” the population in most areas and decreasing it in some high conflict areas.

That means hunters could kill 150 wolves annually and the population could still grow. That seems easy but Rachael's not so sure.

"I suspect after a year when they're shot at we're not going to see wolves walking along the road looking into your windshield," Rachael said.

Since the Legislative plan has a number --150 wolves-- the minimum numbers used in the plan as goals for the 14 wolf management areas are almost certainly lower than the agency will ever meet. But because wolf advocates simply don’t trust Fish and Game, or the state’s intentions, those official numbers are their focus.

But at a time when Michael Vick is sitting in jail for killing dogs, one man brought up a hard point for Fish and Game to ignore. It says it plans to manage wolves like cougars and bears.

But the state doesn’t allow hunters to shoot cougars with kittens or sows with cubs. Will it allow hunters to kill wolves with pups?

“I hadn’t thought of that,” Rachael said.

And what will happen to a wolf pack that kills a hiker? One hunter asked that question to the only groans of the night.

Rachael again turned to the cougar and bear analogy since both attack people far more often than wolves.

“I would expect the wolf would be taken out or the pack would,” he said.

You can read the plan here and submit comments until Dec. 31

The earliest they could be delisted by the federal government is March 29 but everyone expects wolf advocates to file a lawsuit immediately. Then we will see if Ed Bangs, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's wolf coordinator and his crew have a clean, legal decision document.

Good point

Mama with pups,
trigger happy hunters.
Fish and game never has been able to watch all people. How are they going to stop the killing of all the wolves.
I do hope the lawsuits start very soon. As they said more bears and cougars kill, then the wolves do. GO FIGURE and the hunters want to hunt the wolves.

Count me in

on the side that is skeptical about wolf management. None of the mentioned species (bears, cougars) are managed at such low levels. There are 3000 cougars and 20,000 black bears in Idaho. Why should there only be room for only >104 wolves. This plan is not a plan to maintain a healthy population it is a slaughter plan that has the objective of reducing the numbers to minimal levels. All of that garbage about the elk being decimated and wolves eating children worked with the commissioners and the Butch Administration.

How many people here have stood 15 yards away from a wolf at night? I have on several occasions and they didn't do a thing other than look at me, determine I was a human then leave.

15 Yards

AND on several occasions???? AND at night!

My goodness Buffaloed you must be a bison! Or a zoo keeper. Or the crazy wolf lady in Owhyee County.

Please tell us a story or two of what brought you to within 15 yards of a wolf at night, more than once.

Well...

I would rather not discuss the particulars publicly but these were wild wolves in central Idaho (you know.. lots of whack jobs that would shoot anything that moves especially a wolf). You know how Forrest Gump happened to be at the right place at the right time. Kinda like that except I tried to see them.

Moderate on Wolves

I attended the IDFG meeting. I'm the one who asked the question about killing wolves with pups.

I wish all of the wolf meeting were more like this one-where people can ask questions and not be shouted down.

I am not opposed to hunting wolves, as long as it is done using biological evidence and does't result in wholesale killing of wolves. Any hunting of wolves needs to carefully controlled and must be conducted when the pelts are in good shape and the pups are large enough to hunt on their own. That means late December through February, not for 7 months as suggested in the Idaho wolf plan.

Thanks Idaho

Thanks for being civilized and polite for once on the discussion of a usually anger provoking issue. You will soon see how that got you on the good side of F&G and how they will now listen to your suggestions. And just one more thing...."Rachael again turned to the cougar and bear analogy since both attack people far more often than wolves." You heard it here folks, now please put away the paranoia and let's be good stewards of our valuable wildlife.

It was a meeting...

not a carrot and stick thing.

They will still go and do whatever if they think it's better than the suggestions.

It's not a rule-making session, it's a public meeting.

If I eat my spinach at your longing it doesn't mean I'd do it as a policy.

The Wolf Plan

The Wolf plan seems logical. Of course there will be opposition and changes but it's a start, right? Good luck to everyone involved.

There's the mysterious Conne.

So what was her beef? Seems like a congenial discussion to me.

Give us a chance

As a hunter and lover of all animals.You still do not get it.The only reason there are great numbers of elk,Deer,Bear and Lion is because of us"the hunters"All the money we spend each and every year to enhance all species.The wolf will be no different.He is here to stay and will be managed at a level that is acceptable.Most of You wolf lovers have never been near a wolf or anything that is outside the city limits.Give me a break.Chill out.Happy New Year.

I thought it was simpler...

You don't get a license, you don't hunt. No further money spent.

Hunt without a license, get your license revoked, spend a lot of money, maybe jail.

Hunt with success and you spent money to get there, then more to process the meat or store it.

Hunt without success and you don't get any return for all the money you spent.

Want demographics by county?

Spend money.

I'm not making it either.